Proof of God

[Ravenshire]

You do know that most of us do not make the claim "there is no god." don't you?

If you are not making a claim “there is no god” then what are you claiming as being atheist?

That I don't accept your assertion that there is one.

"I don't believe in..." is not the same as "There is no..."

Or is that to much for your feeble little mind to handle?!?

William Lane Craig?!? Fucking really? That fraud is the best you can counter with? What's his degree in again? Bring an honest to reason theoretical physicist to the table, then we'll talk. Until then, I'm going to just point and laugh.

I am not a fan of WLC but in his commentary on the book “A Universe From Nothing,” he has raised some strong logical points and you should listen to that.

William Lane Craig is a snake oil salesman, nothing more, nothing less.

I found some contradicting statements in Krauss’ book “A Universe From Nothing.”

“… our current understanding of the universe, its past, and its future make it more plausible that "something" can arise out of nothing without the need for any divine guidance.”
Chapter 9
Nothing Is Something
A Universe from Nothing
Lawrence Krauss


“A similar argument suggests that one can imagine one specific type of universe that might spontaneously appear and need not disappear almost immediately thereafter because of the constraints of the Uncertainty Principle and energy conservation. Namely, a compact universe with ZERO TOTAL ENERGY.

Now, I would like nothing better than to suggest that this is precisely the universe we live in.”

Chapter 10
Nothing Is Unstable
A Universe from Nothing
Lawrence Krauss


“I refer here to the multiverse. The possibility that our universe is one of a large, even possibly infinite set of distinct and causally separated universes, in each of which any number of fundamental aspects of physical reality may be different, opens up a vast new possibility for understanding our existence”

CHAPTER 11
BRAVE NEW WORLDS

A UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING
Lawrence Krauss

I want to know, why would we ever refer to an infinite number of universes, governed by the principles of string theory, as a Nothing or having Zero Energy?

You're quote mining lines from separate chapters then claiming they're contradictory. Interesting, but irrelevant.

Krauss is not a philosopher and perhaps cannot make distinction between “Absolute Nothingness” that is no space, no time, no matter, no equations, no anything that human mind can conceive and “Vacuum” which is the absence of matter yet it has properties.

Perhaps you have an example of this "Absolute Nothingness" stuff. As it has never been observed in nature, I doubt it.

If Krauss is saying that Quantum Vacuum is not “nothing” then he is trying to prove, Quantum Vacuum is eternal. If so, did he propose any reasonable theory for that?

Perhaps you shouldn't put words in people's mouths then expect a theory to support them.

[Pizza]

Hold on, If my mind exists outside time, then it didn't begin to exist, therefore doesn't have a cause.
Oh my god I'm god?!

Arriving at that conclusion is only valid if you're on LSD at the time.

If God exists is God on LSD?

[Whateverist]

In my experience god only exists when you're on LSD.

[TubbyTubby]

Everything exists on LSD.

[bennyboy]

Arriving at that conclusion is only valid if you're on LSD at the time.

If God exists is God on LSD?

That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

[Homeless Nutter]

Acid tabs are the real body of Christ.

[Harris]

[Norman Humann]

Holy mother of text!

[pocaracas]

[downbeatplumb]

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So I should do what it says in a 2000 year old book because you think there's a tiny correlation between that book and reality?

Quran is little more than 1,400 years old not more than 2,000 years old. If you are reluctant to follow Quran, just because it is 1,400 years old scripture, then what do you think about the work of these people?

Indeed Islam is a "new kid on the block" a late comer. So why not follow an ever younger church Mormonism or scientology, they are so fresh they still have that new bullshit smell.

Or am I to believe you that it's all true, because you say so?

By turning your back to an inevitable fact, you cannot kill the truth. You would not believe God even if he would come in front of you because you have programmed your mind to reject God in any way.

Wrong.
We accept things that can be proven. Gods are a rather childish concept that has no evidence to support it.
Provide scientifically verified evidence and well evaluate it.

Why is God suddenly Allah and not any of the other infinity of possible gods? How did you rule out an infinity?

There is only one God and all major religions of the world agree on that.

A recent development.
In the past the fashion was for a pantheon of gods.
To be honest I would be inclined to find gods a credible possibility if there more than one.
I see the q's in Star trek as the sort of thing I mean.

And for the last time...

Being an atheist is (by default) making no claims at all. No claims. Not a single one.

That means you are not claiming, “There is no God,” yet you are an atheist. Interesting!

Again the misunderstanding of what an atheist is.

You say "there is a god" we say "I don't believe you" this does not mean we believe there isn't a god it just means we are unconvinced.

There is a cat in my garden now.

Do you believe me?

I have given no clue as to whether there is or isn't a cat in my garden.

But there might be.

IS THIS SINKING IN YET?

It is an amazing fact that nearly all atheists blindly follow the idea that mind is the function of brain but not a single person knows how brain actually function.

ARE YOU FROM THE PAST?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain

Can you (atheist trust science) believe that “the complex beast” is the product of blind, unguided, process and “new complex beasts” are appearing in the world in millions every day, randomly, by chance, and without any governing laws. It is a total balderdash and absolute nonsense.

Your ignorance does not negate the fact that evolution is a thing that is proven. IT IS A FACT and affects the mind/brain just as much as it effects anything else.

If my body kept fixing itself perfectly, I guess that yes, I could be immortal...
But the copies introduce mistakes which, ultimately, lead to death.

“That means feeding, breathing, healing of sporadic damage … and … sleeping” are not responsible to keep you alive rather it is life responsible for your feeding, breathing, etc.

What do you mean?

If life is responsible for all your activities then what life in fact is?

Oh for fuck sake.

That was my original question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFdnamG5...F6B9AVuIwV
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