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If I were an Atheist
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 (March 19, 2015 at 9:57 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:(March 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (emphasis is mine) Yes, blatanty lying about us is so cute that it deserves a cute emoticon.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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March 19, 2015 at 10:34 am
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 (March 19, 2015 at 9:57 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: The point is if neither side has enough evidence to prove their point then all the two sides have is a difference of opinion.Based on that reasoning you would have to relegate nearly every single mythical god and creature to "opinion" status... including Santa Claus. If I believe that something doesn't exist, and you cannot prove it does, then it's not unreasonable to believe that it doesn't exist. If sufficient evidence becomes available to prove its existence, then belief becomes the reasonable approach. This is how we operate in pretty much every other facet of our lives. Only when it comes to the possible existence of god(s) do we abandon the approach that has worked very well for us otherwise. Most of the gods that people believe in today were very bold and active in the distant past, when the lack of longevity and technology made it nearly impossible to verify such claims, and when the lack of knowledge and understanding made it much more likely that those claims would be accepted at face value. The more we resolved those issues, the further and further into the background the gods faded, until we live in a world where "god" is intangible and utterly undetectable in any possible way save for those which can only be verified on an individual basis and must, like the claims of old, be taken at face value. If we have to revert to that mindset to find god, then that is a very big problem IMO.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  (March 19, 2015 at 9:57 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:(March 18, 2015 at 6:50 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (emphasis is mine) Wow, you really are a disingenuous little shit aren't you. This is not the false dichotomy you keep insisting on. It's not a case of a choice between positive claims. There is a difference between claiming that I don't believe in gawd and claiming there isn't one. Figure it out.
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Atheists can certainly imply that the world is better explained by explanations other than God. So it's more sensible to be a strong atheist than a theist.
 (March 19, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Delicate Wrote: Atheists can certainly imply that the world is better explained by explanations other than God. So it's more sensible to be a strong atheist than a theist. That's...not what a strong atheist is. And any position asserting a positive claim assumes a burden of proof.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (March 19, 2015 at 4:06 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(March 19, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Delicate Wrote: Atheists can certainly imply that the world is better explained by explanations other than God. So it's more sensible to be a strong atheist than a theist. Except, if you read what I said, I never said that's what a strong atheist is. I said, atheists can imply that the set of non-divine explanations for the world around us is better than divine explanations. And therefore, it makes more sense to be a strong atheist than a theist.
What is your idea of a strong atheist?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson RE: If I were an Atheist
March 19, 2015 at 4:18 pm
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March 19, 2015 at 5:08 pm
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(March 19, 2015 at 10:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(March 19, 2015 at 9:57 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: Okay so the majority of atheists believe God does exist.... That's another problem...no sense of humor. (March 19, 2015 at 3:30 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:(March 19, 2015 at 9:57 am)Drew_2013 Wrote: Okay so the majority of atheists believe God does exist.... Good grief I put the smiley face in to give the clueless a clue it was a joke...and still you don't get it. |
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