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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 5:26 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 4:55 pm)AdamLOV Wrote: A skeptic answer to such issues would be to highlight the impending doom lying in wait for all these sophists.
Please do. I'm sure we'd all like to know about this doom, especially if it's impending.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 5:43 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 5:26 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (May 1, 2015 at 4:55 pm)AdamLOV Wrote: A skeptic answer to such issues would be to highlight the impending doom lying in wait for all these sophists.
Please do. I'm sure we'd all like to know about this doom, especially if it's impending.
Among countless studies, I would mention the following recent prognosis of global societal collapse:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...0914000615
Apocalyptic thought, far from being the preserve of religious fanatics, seems to pervade the sciences, because the world we live in really is ending.
On a more holistic scale, one could mention the laws of thermodynamics. Negentropic systems have an inescapable tendency to entropy. In the long term, doom is the only existent, because entropy trumps negentropy. These two scientific facts would constitute proofs of impending doom (i.e. an extinction that is threateningly close, in terms of geological time).
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 6:06 pm
I'm a little confused as to what your point is. Are you suggesting that this extinction will only take out the sophists and spare everyone else?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 6:12 pm
Incidentally, how about an intro thread so we might get to know you a little better?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 6:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2015 at 6:18 pm by AdamLOV.)
(May 1, 2015 at 6:06 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm a little confused as to what your point is. Are you suggesting that this extinction will only take out the sophists and spare everyone else?
What I am suggesting is that all dialogue is embedded within the context of a physical reality that is heading towards entropy (dissolution). The fact of this impending extinction is something that cannot be fully incoporated within human dialogue, for the futural fact of extinction is what incorporates communication, including communication pertaining to extinction. As Georges Bataille noted, "Nonsense is the outcome of every possible sense." When discussing matters such as God/Non-God, we must take heed of our own fatal situatedness.
(May 1, 2015 at 6:12 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Incidentally, how about an intro thread so we might get to know you a little better?
I'll get around to that, thanks.
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 7:20 pm
Adam...I can already tell by your posts that you are going to be quite entertaining.
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 1, 2015 at 7:41 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 6:17 pm)AdamLOV Wrote: (May 1, 2015 at 6:06 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I'm a little confused as to what your point is. Are you suggesting that this extinction will only take out the sophists and spare everyone else?
What I am suggesting is that all dialogue is embedded within the context of a physical reality that is heading towards entropy (dissolution). The fact of this impending extinction is something that cannot be fully incoporated within human dialogue, for the futural fact of extinction is what incorporates communication, including communication pertaining to extinction. As Georges Bataille noted, "Nonsense is the outcome of every possible sense." When discussing matters such as God/Non-God, we must take heed of our own fatal situatedness.
That sounds like deconstructionist gobbledygook.
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 2, 2015 at 2:48 am
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Adam... I'm sorry but I have no idea what your point is still.
Sure, we know an awful lot about the universe, how things will most likely end for it, how our planet will end, even if we don't destroy it before then. Thanks to science. Gloomy, sure.
But what you are suggesting the implications of this should be, I don't know. We shouldn't talk about anything else? It's pointless to talk about anything? We should disbelieve science because we don't like what it says?
"Hi Dave. Worlds gonna end soon, but can I borrow some sugar? Actually forget it, the world's gonna end."
And what any of this has to do with God or science, I can't fathom.
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 2, 2015 at 3:34 am
Eventually the world will end, so why get out of bed?
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: If I were an Atheist
May 2, 2015 at 4:36 am
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May I just note that I don't give one single shit about humanity going extinct at some point. I'm living here and now and there are quite a few more important issues to worry about. For me the argument is on the same lines as the sun blowing up in about 3 to 4 billion years. Well, I won't be there to suffer the consequences.
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