Guardian angel saves baby

[KevinM1]

It's amazing to see theists wildly flail at the God of the Gaps fallacy. It's not even a typical case of "you can't explain it, so god" since there are several likely mundane explanations that would satisfy what happened. It's sad to so clearly see one's desire for fantasy override reason.

[robvalue]

Yeah really. Even going so far as to label a guardian angel as the "simplest explanation" or something.

It's magic. Why strain your brain further when we can all knock off early?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Watch the story dummy stop spouting from your fuelie Fire management hand book.

The fact that you don't know the difference between a fuel specialist and a fire protection specialist speaks volumes about both your ignorance and your willingness to speak ignorantly, rather than actually learn something. You see, I schooled on the difference via a PM exchange about two months ago ... and you're still speaking ignorantly.

Only the mother could be seen when the car was upside down and it was very appearent she was dead. Once they saw that it was a salvage operation. Then they heard a voice and the proceeded to roll the car on its side. When the did they were horrified to find they had submerged a live baby. If the had known their was a child they would have rolled it the other way, and not submerged the baby.

Here is the entirety of the story in your link:

She wore only a flannel onesie, with no hat or gloves, but it was enough to help an 18-month-old baby survive 14 hours upside down in a car that had fallen into an icy river.

Her mom didn’t make it, but young Lily Groesbeck’s remarkable ability to survive the most harrowing of ordeals has inspired a small Utah city where a car careened off a cement barrier and plunged off a narrow bridge.

Cops said Lily’s mother, Lynn, 25, was returning from a trip to her mother’s house Friday evening when she struck a barrier and lost control of the car, which landed on an embankment below partially submerged upside down in a river about 50 miles south of Salt Lake City, in a spot not visible from the road.

There, little Lily hung upside-down in her car seat, with no food or water, her blond hair just inches away from the frigid water that rushed in through broken car windows. The temperatures were near freezing throughout the night and through the morning. If not for a fisherman that spotted the car Saturday afternoon, the girl might not have survived.

Cops formed a human chain on the shoreline and pulled the cold, unconscious girl to safety, but not before they arrived at the scene and heard a mysterious woman’s voice asking softly for help.

The driver was already dead, the girl was unconscious and there was no one else in the car.

“That’s the part that really sends me for a whirl,” said Spanish Fork Police Officer Tyler Beddoes who confirmed the voice with three other officers.
“I’m not really religious, but that’s what you think of.”

Beddoes, a 30-year-old father of two, was also thinking about the sanctity of life, and the miracle baby that beat the odds.
“It’s heartbreaking,” Beddoes said. “Was she crying most of the night? It’s a miracle. She was needed for sure elsewhere.”

Nowhere in there does it lay out any sequence of rescue events. Nowhere in there does it report which direction the car was flipped. Nowhere does it say they assumed the mother was the only victim -- and that's my point: that assumption would not be made in a vehicle accident, especially a rollover which left the roadway. Indeed, the BBC reports "A fisherman raised the alarm at 12:30 local time (18:30 GMT) the next day, after he saw the girl dangling above the water as it flowed through the car." I have emphasized the segment of the report which demonstrates that your baseless recitation of events is a fiction, probably concocted to avoid admitting error.

Calling you names does make me feel some what superior to you.. Hmmm maybe I should do that more often, as you all do to me when you think you have me cornered, like you just did... Too bad you didn't have your facts straight. But, only if there was a way to check your facts before you spoke and looked foolish...

The funny thing is, I did exactly that, and fished you into a corner so that I could hang you on your own hook. So you should probably stick to name-calling ... this thinking stuff is clearly alien to you.

Like watch some sort of video or record of the events I was directly speaking of...

I did. You were wrong, and are too proud to admit it.

I wonder what your precious little Jesus thinks of your lack of humility?

[h4ym4n]

I'll bet this incident was a complete surprise to yahweh.

Probably had to hear about it from the news.

[Cinjin]

Maybe the woman was still alive and then died before they gained access to the vehicle.
Maybe only one person heard a voice and frantically convinced the others - creating a group hysteria.
Maybe the story is completely fraudulent and some of the rescuers are lying because they want to be a key part of "the miracle story."
Maybe the rescuers, due to their audible location, misheard a real woman's voice that sounded a lot like "help me."
Maybe it's the ghost of christmas past or the ethereal spirit of Mary Todd Lincoln.


None of these things matter. The point here is, you brothers-in-christardia have assigned this little "miracle" to your god and are BLINDLY accepting that it is indeed an authentic miracle. You then get all butthurt when hear us simply questioning it. We're doing what we always do: We're not defaulting to "god did it" like a halfwit sheep.
I'm not an atheist. I have not ruled out the unlikely possibility that the spirit of that mother could have possibly called out for some assistance.
That being said, it would be utter stupidity for me to make that claim simply because I had not investigated the natural phenomena happening all around them, and I sure as all fuck wouldn't give any particular religion credit for such a ridiculous piss poor "miracle."

[Neo-Scholastic]

Maybe the woman was still alive and then died before they gained access to the vehicle.
Maybe only one person heard a voice and frantically convinced the others - creating a group hysteria.
Maybe the story is completely fraudulent and some of the rescuers are lying because they want to be a key part of "the miracle story."
Maybe the rescuers, due to their audible location, misheard a real woman's voice that sounded a lot like "help me."
Maybe it's the ghost of christmas past or the ethereal spirit of Mary Todd Lincoln.

Maybe, maybe, maybe...because it just must be anything other than the obvious.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Maybe the woman was still alive and then died before they gained access to the vehicle.
Maybe only one person heard a voice and frantically convinced the others - creating a group hysteria.
Maybe the story is completely fraudulent and some of the rescuers are lying because they want to be a key part of "the miracle story."
Maybe the rescuers, due to their audible location, misheard a real woman's voice that sounded a lot like "help me."
Maybe it's the ghost of christmas past or the ethereal spirit of Mary Todd Lincoln.

Maybe, maybe, maybe...because it just must be anything other than the obvious.

The obvious being 'magic'?

Come on chad, this is reasoning 101. You don't just jump to the conclusion, you eliminate variables to arrive at what could be deemed the truth. Often this may take days, weeks, months, decades, entire life times. Notice we're not asserting what it is (I actually don't give any fucks and neither does anyone else I would guess), but merely just asking a question as to the validity of your conclusion.

But no, it was a magical invisible 'angel' thing that saved the kid's life. Let's just go with that.

[Faith No More]

Maybe, maybe, maybe...because it just must be anything other than the obvious.

The fact that your mind would leap to the conclusion that this is obviously supernatural without ruling out natural causes - which are the only thing verified to actually exist - makes me think there is something wrong with the reasoning centers of your brain.

I mean, even if this was a guardian angel, he fell asleep at the job, and the fact that you guys are clamoring to claim what would be complete ineptitude at guarding for god's army speaks volumes about how desperate you all are for confirmation of your beliefs.

[JesusHChrist]

Maybe, maybe, maybe...because it just must be anything other than the obvious.

What is the obvious?

A voice heard as a delusion when under stress? That seems fairly obvious.

Or, just as likely.....a disembodied magical voice from the spirit realm speaks! Yeah, I'm going with that. Cuz it's totally cool to think about. Maybe get the Ouija board out tonight to communicate with long dead Great Uncle Frank. He always gives good stock market tips.

[Esquilax]

May, maybe, maybe...because it just must be anything other than the obvious.

Ah yes, the obvious conclusion, that something which has never been confirmed or even evidenced to happen in all of human history, that in fact would contradict much of what we know to be true about reality... Happened. Why? No evidence, but the theists seem so sure!

So obvious!