New Age woo, pantheism, "connected"

[Jenny A]

I'm not seeing any lines of demarcation between things. How can you be so sure that everything is discrete? How do you identify one sensible body from another? Don't bother answering...as an atheist your answers won't make any sense.

Or in other words:

[robvalue]

What are you even doing here Chad, if you have no interest in what atheists have to say?

[Brian37]

Reality is not only stranger than I recognize, it is stranger than I can recognize.
(inaccurate quotation of J. B. S. Haldane )

At some limit I will not be able to understand. I am resigned and not upset by that thought and I have absolutely no need to postulate a god to push the grey veil back a little farther. Particularly when doing so is not at all effective, it just paints a pretty picture on the veil. Others want to paint that picture for their own reasons, generally their own benefit, not mine. I won't let them.

Um not sure what you mean with this. I will restate what I always do. You can believe whatever you want, that human right is a matter of human rights only, still has nothing to do with your ability to demonstrate the credibility of what you claim, on any subject. Thing that are universal as far as knowledge don't have to be sold or defended, those things are tested and have the shit kicked out of them. If they pass that test it is a fact all of humanity has. If it does not, then the wise thing to do is to drop it and move on.

Right now science is pointing to "all this" merely being a product of nature, not a god, not even a non thinking living thing. Until such time future evidence or better methods say otherwise, my position is that there is no god and the universe is not a living thing itself.

Not even the universe is structured like any biological life. It cannot function because it is not a giant biological life. It is simply energy in motion. But energy and matter by themselves do not constitute biological life.

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I'm not seeing any lines of demarcation between things. How can you be so sure that everything is discrete? How do you identify one sensible body from another? Don't bother answering...as an atheist your answers won't make any sense.

To you no kidding. Anyone drunk on woo wont see through it. As Neil Degrasse Tyson has said "The good thing about science is it does not care if you accept it or not".

That applies to atheists as well, I'll take on atheists with crappy claims too. Even atheists can have their own woo. "Atheist" only refers to claims about gods. But once you start projecting human qualities on non biological life, even without a standard god, you are fucking up.

Science already knows the difference between the way the atoms that make up molecules in a non living rock or diamond or plastic are not arranged in the same way as living things like grass or an insect or bacteria or humans.

Once you start thinking an invisible magic thinking thing did it, or that the universe itself is living, you have swallowed the Kool Aid.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Manners! We don't need no stinking manners. Especially, when the OP is just a collection of ignorant shit. But yeah, I'm feeling a little pissy today. I've decided to drop the illusion that I will receive intelligent replies to rationally presented arguments.

[JuliaL]

I will restate what I always do. You can believe whatever you want, that human right is a matter of human rights only, still has nothing to do with your ability to demonstrate the credibility of what you claim, on any subject. Thing that are universal as far as knowledge don't have to be sold or defended, those things are tested and have the shit kicked out of them. If they pass that test it is a fact all of humanity has. If it does not, then the wise thing to do is to drop it and move on.

Methinks we will continue to misunderstand one another.
All knowledge must be continually defended as knowledge is always considered subject to further refinement by future experience.
My comment was intended to explain my prediction that there will always be some point where investigation fails. Because we cannot see what lies beyond, even if nothing does and barring omniscience, we will never know what is out there. For example, perhaps we will find that the missing mass of the universe is explained by the existence of tiny, invisible, massive crustaceans. Where did they come from? Cern found the Higgs particle and filled in a hole in an explanatory and predictive model but did not inform as to the reality of what mass is. Ontology is really much more difficult than many of us realize.

I'm not seeing any lines of demarcation between things. How can you be so sure that everything is discrete? How do you identify one sensible body from another? Don't bother answering...as an atheist your answers won't make any sense.

You only have circumstantial evidence that more than one sensible body exists. Only theory of mind grants the existence of others.
It is the same theory of mind that, in my view, inappropriately extrapolates without repeatable evidence the existence of an uber-mind labeled 'God.'

[The Grand Nudger]

Well then stop your sensible body from dropping ignorant shit on the boards. Whats that?...can't...you say Brian did that? Hmn, demarcation. Probably doesn't make any sense though, what with me being an atheist and all.

[watchamadoodle]

Manners! We don't need no stinking manners. Especially, when the OP is just a collection of ignorant shit. But yeah, I'm feeling a little pissy today. I've decided to drop the illusion that I will receive intelligent replies to rationally presented arguments.

I was curious about your apparent endorsement of the "everything is connected" viewpoint. One thing I have never liked about Christianity is the idea of discrete souls, because that doesn't match the connectedness of nature.

[robvalue]

Manners! We don't need no stinking manners. Especially, when the OP is just a collection of ignorant shit. But yeah, I'm feeling a little pissy today. I've decided to drop the illusion that I will receive intelligent replies to rationally presented arguments.

Really. I am completely tired of your arrogance and have no interest in talking to you anymore.

[Faith No More]

I'm not seeing any lines of demarcation between things. How can you be so sure that everything is discrete? How do you identify one sensible body from another? Don't bother answering...as an atheist your answers won't make any sense.

That doesn't bother me, because if that is true, as a theist, your answers won't make any sense, either. Any philosophical conundrum that comes about from rational, natural observation cannot suddenly be undone with an injection of the supernatural. The universe is messy and trying to rationalize it all with a human mind is equally so. Claiming supernatural influence, however, isn't a philosophical get our of jail free card.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm not seeing any lines of demarcation between things. How can you be so sure that everything is discrete? How do you identify one sensible body from another? Don't bother answering...as an atheist your answers won't make any sense.

*yawn*

It's a shame you can't make sense of simple answers. This is what philosophy does to a presumably-functional brain: it inures it from common sense.