Stereotyping and morality

[abaris]

Does that mean they have "no morality"? Im sure a narcissist or a psychopath would still have things that they regard as right or wrong.

In their extreme, they're the stuff serial killers and serial rapists are made off. Forensic psychology found out some decades ago that their only aim is self gratification. They have no or next to no empathy and other beings are just tools to be used.

It's mostly a made condition, created by the way they were brought up from a very early age on.

[Joods]

Spot on Abaris. Spot on.

[daver49]

This might seem like a dumb question, but I will ask it anyway. Is it even possible for a person to have no morality?

Oh absolutely. Just look at the actions of a narcissist. You'll find plenty of them who lack morality. The mind fuckery, gaslighting, projecting and blameshifting they use are great examples of their lack of morality.

Throw in a psychopathic narcissist and well... you have the king of the "no morality" people right there.

Well, Narcissss fell in love with himself...he thought of what he saw as "good." Thus a morality even if it exists only for oneself.

[GrandizerII]

Then it is quite possible that your dad is not narcissistic to a point of fitting the diagnosis. All of us have some healthy levels of narcissism in us. For an individual to be dx'd with NPD, they need to fit a certain number of criteria as outlined in the DSM-V.

Ah, it's not that black or white, though. What I'm trying to say is that it's a spectrum even for the personality disorder it self. There is not one same NPD person as another.

You're at "war" with your ex at the moment. So he is playing very dirty with you right now, and emotionally causing you damage you in the process. When my father was so insulted by me not doing things on his term, he did nothing but try to hurt me as best he could, it was extremely hard for me to see him as nothing but a pure monster then. But now that I'm away and we currently get along somewhat when we meet, it's easier to be more objective about it.

The thing about literature is that it all too often focuses on the bad things NPDs are know for but never the good things that they could do. Like charity, showing compassion, respecting the law, etc.

Grandiosity, Empathy (lack of) and Attention-seeking (exploiting others, per say) are only three out of ten symptoms of NPD. To be diagnosed with NPD, the person must meet five or more of these symptoms.

Oh, no, my father definitely met at least five. I just stated those three as the ones that stood out the most. In fact, those criteria seem to be highly correlated with all or most of the others anyway on the list anyway.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

the assertion that atheists have no real morality without biblical law.

I must at least give you credit for finding a way to use the phrases "real morality" and "biblical law" in the same sentence.

Nice one.

Boru