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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
March 20, 2015 at 3:29 pm
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2015 at 3:30 pm by Regina.)
I think that whole region should just be a secular, religiously neutral state. One state, with no official religion.
It's over-idealistic and it won't happen, but in an ideal world that's the only solution.
I have every sympathy with any innocent civilian, Muslim, Jew or otherwise, who has been caught in the crossfire of the Israel-Palestine war. However, I have no sympathy for the political parties, who are fighting a petty war over a glorified strip of barren desert just because it is labelled "The Holy Land". No. It's pathetic and it has to stop. Just make one secular state which is religiously neutral and give everyone there equal freedom of religion.
In other words, move the fuck into the 21st century like most of the Western world and East Asia have.
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
March 20, 2015 at 4:00 pm
(March 20, 2015 at 3:29 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: I think that whole region should just be a secular, religiously neutral state. One state, with no official religion.
It's over-idealistic and it won't happen, but in an ideal world that's the only solution.
I have every sympathy with any innocent civilian, Muslim, Jew or otherwise, who has been caught in the crossfire of the Israel-Palestine war. However, I have no sympathy for the political parties, who are fighting a petty war over a glorified strip of barren desert just because it is labelled "The Holy Land". No. It's pathetic and it has to stop. Just make one secular state which is religiously neutral and give everyone there equal freedom of religion.
In other words, move the fuck into the 21st century like most of the Western world and East Asia have.
Very good reply and observation.
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
March 20, 2015 at 4:12 pm
(March 20, 2015 at 3:29 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: I think that whole region should just be a secular, religiously neutral state. One state, with no official religion.
It's over-idealistic and it won't happen, but in an ideal world that's the only solution.
I have every sympathy with any innocent civilian, Muslim, Jew or otherwise, who has been caught in the crossfire of the Israel-Palestine war. However, I have no sympathy for the political parties, who are fighting a petty war over a glorified strip of barren desert just because it is labelled "The Holy Land". No. It's pathetic and it has to stop. Just make one secular state which is religiously neutral and give everyone there equal freedom of religion.
In other words, move the fuck into the 21st century like most of the Western world and East Asia have.
I think It's that fixation on what we wish things to be over what things are all are that worsened the problem to their current predicament in the first place.
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
March 20, 2015 at 4:33 pm
(March 20, 2015 at 4:12 pm)Chuck Wrote: I think It's that fixation on what we wish things to be over what things are all are that worsened the problem to their current predicament in the first place.
Both the zionist and the Palestinian movements were largely secular and nationalist in their origins. Both were rather left leaning in my living memory. The religious nuttery and shift to the right only came at a later stage. On both sides.
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
March 20, 2015 at 8:26 pm
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2015 at 8:27 pm by abentwookie.)
I vote yes. However, I think a true DMZ needs to be established and enforced between the two states. It has worked well in other parts of the world so I think it is worth a try there as well. There needs to be a neutral ground between them and have it enforced by the United Nations, like a parent breaking up a fight between two kids. Either that or we need to build a giant water hose to spray them with every time they get into a fight. 
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
March 21, 2015 at 2:51 am
Where's the option that Israel is an illegal State?
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
April 7, 2015 at 3:49 am
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lmaoooo , so walk into someone's house yadadada take break and kill .... throw them in the backyard.. then ask them if they want to change the name of there prison. id used prisons and unfortunate examples as an excuse but id probably be arrested for antisemtism. so ya a free independant state ? great decission ... come take my dog while your at it ..
dont got a dog ... but all these tree hungung solution graspers have rhe brain !!
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RE: Should the Palestinians have an independent state?
April 7, 2015 at 3:54 am
Yep, same thing I was saying...
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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