The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Silver]

God is more of a reality than you can even conceive.

I have experienced everything in reality except god.

Tell me this why is there grass... not how but why. Why is there existence? (Not how but why)

Why is easily explained due to how evolution works in relation to organisms. You would know this if you paid more attention to science instead of fairy tales.

 Do you have worth? Is it just based on the arbitrary value systems of people or do you have intrinsic worth?

I know I have worth, because it is not based on what others think of what I believe.

[Rekeisha]

Submit? Submit to your husband?

That makes me feel ill. Religion can be so vile.

Kind of a mixed message here, though. She's so humble that she's submitting, but also so arrogant as to presume to speak for God to us.

No presumptions and I am not saying that I am the only one who does or can speak to God. What is so vile in submitting to a man willing to give his life for me? Who works hard to provide for my family and takes the time to listen to what I have to say. Do you even know what I mean when I say submit. I am not speaking about being run over nor am I less of an equal to my husband in the marriage. There is a need for a leader in the family and He is it. I myself am a leader and I would not submit to some weak minded evil individual. I knew for a long time that I would need a strong man to lead me and that is who God sent me.

[Silver]

What I find most vile is some idiot theist who thinks she knows more than me.

[Rekeisha]

God is more of a reality than you can even conceive.

I have experienced everything in reality except god.

Tell me this why is there grass... not how but why. Why is there existence? (Not how but why)

Why is easily explained due to how evolution works in relation to organisms.  You would know this if you paid more attention to science instead of fairy tales.

 Do you have worth? Is it just based on the arbitrary value systems of people or do you have intrinsic worth?

I know I have worth, because it is not based on what others think of what I believe.

Evolution is the how not the why. 
So if it isn't based on what others think or believe then what gives you worth. Do you believe you are evolved. There is nothing in that system that gives you worth so what does?

[Silver]

Evolution is the how not the why. 

If you were less biblically inclined, you might just be smarter in science. Hashtag, evolution.

So if it isn't based on what others think or believe then what gives you worth. Do you believe you are evolved. There is nothing in that system that gives you worth so what does?

My worth is first and foremost dependent on me. What others think is useless.

I mean, I get it. Being a part of a religion means that you feel better about yourself due to how others are mindlessly willing to inform you of how great you are despite backing it up with any real evidence.

[Redbeard The Pink]

You have created a false god to deem evil. You don't even understand what evil is and have a skewed view of the world and how evil people. I say this because your statement is naive there are people out there doing evil every day and you are blind to the evil inside your own heart.  You have too high of a view of people and too low of a view of God.

Please understand that I only think your god is evil on paper, the way he and his actions are described. He's not actually evil in the same way that Lord Sauron is not actually evil (by virtue of not existing). My views about your god are rooted strictly in the same book you're preaching at me from.

In every translation, in every story, that character is completely horrible. I'm sorry you don't agree, but it's just the truth. God kills more humans and directly causes more suffering than literally any other character in that book. He is jealous, vengeful, wrathful, and demanding of the blood of humans and animals to sate his rage and lust for conquest. He is a volcano-sky-god of savages and warmongers. If you remove all the passages that simply state "God is good" or something along those lines and look strictly at what he does and says, your god is worse than any villain from any story I can think of.

If you had faith in the same God that I do then you would still have faith in Him because He isn't the kind of God that will lose His people.

If you had read your Bible as much as I have, you wouldn't believe in your god.

That is why I know it is impossible for you to have had the same faith as I do. You keep explaining your idea of God, and it shows me that you never believed in God. No one who knows Him like I do would ever call Him evil.

And this is how I know that you've done the necessary mental gymnastics to separate the warm fuzzy voice in your head from the monstrous despot that your holy book actually depicts. The God in your head wouldn't act that way because you wouldn't act that way, and your concept of God is ultimately a projection of yourself (like everyone's). This means you actually follow your own moral framework rather than following the Bible outright (thankfully), and your moral framework is vastly superior to what your Bible commands. You, yourself, are actually much, much more moral than the god of the Bible.

If you believe like I do you would enjoy Him and find comfort in His word. It would be enjoyable to be in His presence and you would be happy for the day you die because you would be with Him.

Yes, I used to be in your death cult, and yes, I used to think that death was pretty much the best thing ever because Heaven, or whatever.


Then I read the Bible enough to realize that according to its claims, most people (including most Christians) don't actually get into heaven, and that Jehovah is essentially callous toward any struggle we go through as humans, in this life or the next, and that he loves the smell of burning flesh and blood.


Then I finally allowed myself to view my own religious beliefs with the same skepticism and concern for truth that had lead me to discard most other people's religious beliefs, and I realized that my religion was founded on just as much myth, superstition, and fallacy as any other. That's when I stopped believing. It didn't really have anything to do with thinking God was evil; it was mostly about whether it was reasonable to believe in God at all. Turns out it's not. Oh well. I've been wrong about other things.

You would pray to know Him more and you would not want to do anything that would hurt Him because you loved Him. Your would seek to spend your life for Him not out of duty but because He is worth it. You would see people walking down the street wish that they would understand the beauty of God. You would enjoy being able to speak about His goodness and enjoy the presence of God when He gives you the power to do so.  So if you believed like I do you would still believe and be growing in faith and joy. You would long to stare at God and see how beautiful He is and be amazed at His faithfulness. You don't though so it isn't the same. You talk about christianity like it was a job to you and a list of dos and don'ts. You hate the very thought of God and that I would talk to you about Him. You keep giving me your resume of christian works as if that proves something about you faith in God.  You speak more about what you achieved in christianity than your love for God. It isn't the same.

Blah blah fucking blah.


"If you ever really believed, you still would! No True Christian leaves the faith!"


It's the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, and it's a lie. Talking about my actions is the only way for me to objectively demonstrate the depth of my involvement with faith and ministry; I was kicking out ghosts on my own time, not with my church. I was actively involved in spiritual warfare. I am not bragging because I'm not actually proud of any of this; I am only telling you this as a demonstration of how sincerely deluded I was. Sincere faith in storybook characters is the reason I did those things, and despite all your hemming and hawing to the contrary, I know better. I know what I believed, and I know how sincerely I believed it.


And no, I don't hate your god any more than I hate Jafar or that shitty little mustache-guy that always fights Rocky and Bullwinkle. I do sort of hate that religion indoctrinates people into believing in garbage like that, and convincing people that the Bible is a justification for hindering scientific progress and acting spiteful toward women and gays, but that has mostly to do with people and not that much to do with the book itself.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Whatcha gonna do when your husband kicks the bucket? I've worked with plenty of Stepford Christian wives before; Submissive types don't usually fare too well when it comes to figuring shit out! Poor critical thinking skills, lack of motivation, and a general inability to multi-task are the side effects of leaving the heavy-thinking to one's huuuusband all of the time.

Learn to use that noggin, girl! 

That's what it's there for.

If I haven't kicked the bucked keep on living my life because it does not depend on him.  If what you say is true, which I don't doubt, they have made an idol out of their husband. My husband doesn't give me worth nor does he complete me. I was a full human being before I met him and I will be one after he dies. My life is hidden in Christ and He is the one I put my everything in. I appreciate you concern, but if you knew me you wouldn't be making this statement at all. I live with my husband and know his faults and he knows mine. I don't seek to find my identity in my Husband or children or job or intellect or looks all of that is passing away. I put my worth and meaning is Someone far more stable, I find it in Christ. He is stable firm, gives me strength and upholds me when things seek to take me out. He makes me bold and gives me worth. No one's ideas or opinions of me can change that not mine or my husbands.

Jesus is imaginary.  You have never met him.  You will never meet him.  He didn't exist.  He doesn't exist. He will never exist.  You are delusional and superstitious.  Your belief in a magic Jewish zombie is useless.

[robvalue]

OK, we've had 124 pages now.

Does following Jesus work, or not?

[Rekeisha]

Evolution is the how not the why. 

If you were less biblically inclined, you might just be smarter in science.  Hashtag, evolution.

So if it isn't based on what others think or believe then what gives you worth. Do you believe you are evolved. There is nothing in that system that gives you worth so what does?

My worth is first and foremost dependent on me. What others think is useless.

I mean, I get it.  Being a part of a religion means that you feel better about yourself due to how others are mindlessly willing to inform you of how great you are despite backing it up with any real evidence.

How does evolution explain the why? Why is it so important for me to be smarter in science? Why do you base my worth on how closely I agree with your belief in evolution? 

So your worth is based on your idea of yourself. When your idea of yourself changes so does your worth. That doesn't make your worth intrinsic. It makes it an arbitrary idea. When you die your worth dies with you so your worth is imaginary. Is this true if not then why?
What if people don't agree with your view of your self-worth? What if they deem you less than and have the power to put you in that position how do you know what the truth is about you? 
Also how do you know that you give yourself worth? How told you that? It seems to be a common narrative in society to look inside yourself and conjurer up your own self-worth. What if that kind of thinking goes out of style where will you get your worth from then?

[Rekeisha]

If I haven't kicked the bucked keep on living my life because it does not depend on him.  If what you say is true, which I don't doubt, they have made an idol out of their husband. My husband doesn't give me worth nor does he complete me. I was a full human being before I met him and I will be one after he dies. My life is hidden in Christ and He is the one I put my everything in. I appreciate you concern, but if you knew me you wouldn't be making this statement at all. I live with my husband and know his faults and he knows mine. I don't seek to find my identity in my Husband or children or job or intellect or looks all of that is passing away. I put my worth and meaning is Someone far more stable, I find it in Christ. He is stable firm, gives me strength and upholds me when things seek to take me out. He makes me bold and gives me worth. No one's ideas or opinions of me can change that not mine or my husbands.

Jesus is imaginary.  You have never met him.  You will never meet him.  He didn't exist.  He doesn't exist. He will never exist.  You are delusional and superstitious.  Your belief in a magic Jewish zombie is useless.

Have you studied history? Jesus is an historical person and actually existed. So, where are you getting your proof from that He never existed? Show me that documents were forged and changed. Why would someone make up a person like Jesus in the first place? Sorry, this is a weak argument and you shouldn't put your faith in them. You don't have to prove your worth to me I am not going to judge and being wrong doesn't make you less human.  Ignorance nor rejection of the truth and hanging out with people who agree with you will save you. 1 savior, 1 God and He died for your sins. You do have an option to be forgiven for you sins and that will be there if you believe or disbelieve. He is Jesus is Lord and King whether you disbelieve or believe.