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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:00 am
(September 24, 2015 at 9:32 am)Stimbo Wrote: Why do I sin? Just cos!
I also tan.
The simplest answer is because you want to. Ask yourself do you want to follow God or do your own thing?
The other part of the answer is you were born into sin because adam and eve cursed humanity with their act of rebellion. They enslaved people to a rebellious human nature. That is why God sent His son to die for our sins because without him we are unable to live the righteous life God commans of us to live. He enlightens us to this fact and will show us how rebellion affects us and others.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:22 am
Thanks but I'm not going to follow a figment of your imagination. Please file your judgemental projection in the appropriate orifice.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:31 am
(September 24, 2015 at 10:58 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 1:07 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: I can't tell you what you believe but you can tell me? That sounds like a double standard.
I hold my beliefs because I know God it is that simple. Sin is the reason why people reject God. It isn't because of critical thinking skills or that reality says otherwise. Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice doesn't make a bit of sense without Him. He is firmly in control of the world. Call it what you like but the truth of the matter is God is real and in control. God the Father sent His son Jesus, out of great love and mercy, to die for our sins. Those who accept Him receive eternal life and the Holy Spirit as a deposit.
All of creation is moving in the direction God has ordained and there is not a person in the world how can stop Him from accomplishing His plan that he already set out.
Oh really?
Failed bible prophecies
Why didn't he manage to do any of that, then? Seems like his plan has already gone haywire at least a few times. Like, all the times, really.
Come to think of it, pretty much the whole Bible is a story about how mad he gets at humans for constantly fucking up his plans. He's really gotta be kicking himself for that free will shit by now. What was he thinking? What's the use of being omnipotent if puny little humans can just up and decide you don't even exist and they don't have to follow your plans at all?
And yeah, you insist on using your book to "explain" why we stopped believing and/or how we weren't really Christians, so I'm using my books to explain the real reasons why you're able to continue believing in your invisible friends even though they are evidently nonexistent. The only real difference is that you're using a collection of Bronze and Iron Age myths, while I'm using science books. See how annoying it is?
You don't know Gaud. You can't because he isn't real, pure and simple. If you still believe in Gaud even though he isn't real, it's because you've been indoctrinated into doing so and/or you just don't have the critical faculties to objectively analyze your own beliefs. I'm not trying to belittle you or hurt your feelings; I'm just trying to tell you the truth about how ignorant you are so you'll accept reality and finally gain salvation from your superstitious imagination.
No hurt feelings and no annoyances because I know the truth. You can attempt to bring evidence against God and but your arguments fail because they are not the truth.
This is an artical about Tyre http://www.apologeticspress.org/apconten...ticle=1790
I did go into your link too much because I don't have much time.
Here is another link on fulfilled prophecies. http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/...ecies.html
It doesn't matter when the truth was written because it will always be the truth. No human can mess up God's plan because nothing is out of his control. He is a righteous, merciful, good, just and judge. He will give you mercy and forgive your sins through the blood of christ. He will judge you for what you have willfuly done if you choose to reject Him.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:34 am
No human can mess up "God's" plan? So the 'fall' from Eden wasn't Adam and Eve's fault?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:35 am
(September 24, 2015 at 9:56 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 24, 2015 at 9:16 am)Rekeisha Wrote: If you want to know, sin goes beyond what you act out. Sin starts with the heart. It is a heart condition. You don't whan to follow the God of creation and you think your ways are higer than His and you think your thoughts are higher than His. You lie about His character and lean on your own understanding. This is sin. I follow God and He is the one that made everything and Has every right to judge us. Still, it is your choice. You will do as you please and I am here to tell you the truth. As you have heard, and one day I pray that you truly experience, is that God does love you and seeks to save you from your sin through the death and ressurection of Jesus christ. You must actually repent and put your faith in Him, the one who loves your soul.
Notice I said want to sin. That means "what's in the heart".
The bold highlighted parts prove what I am talking about, above. Cult, cult, cult.
They teach you to turn off your brain, to not trust yourself, to accept their reality over your own.
Cult, cult, cult.
(September 24, 2015 at 9:32 am)Stimbo Wrote: Why do I sin? Just cos!
I also tan.
Do you tan on your cot?
Take a sec to consider.
I don't know what to do with csc.
Pretending that I am in a cult doesn't change the truth. God is real and He wants to show you mercy by paying for your sins through the blood of Jesus christ. Still one day you will face Him as He judges you and if you hold onto your sin you will have no excuse.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:40 am
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(September 25, 2015 at 10:35 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Pretending that I am in a cult doesn't change the truth. God is real and He wants to show you mercy by paying for your sins through the blood of Jesus christ. Still one day you will face Him as He judges you and if you hold onto your sin you will have no excuse.
Cult, cult, cult.
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By the way, Rekeisha, I'm not just being funny, here.
You really sound like a mind-blown cultist, and not because you're a Christian. Every time I read your posts, my mouth literally hangs open for a moment in amazement at how you sound like a drone, like a caricatured, two-dimensional (badly written) cultist in a horror film. You are not doing your religion any good by talking to anyone like this, and especially not when talking to open skeptics of your faith.
Try not just repeating mantras at us, especially simplistic ones we've heard a million times from people much less mind-blown than you seem to be from the way you speak here, but actually engaging your mind and offering some well-reasoned, thoughtful responses.
If I wanted to see someone looking like they're in a trance and mumbling "praise the Lord" while waving together en masse, I'd go to a Christian rock concert at an evangelism conference.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 10:56 am
(September 25, 2015 at 10:40 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 25, 2015 at 10:35 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Pretending that I am in a cult doesn't change the truth. God is real and He wants to show you mercy by paying for your sins through the blood of Jesus christ. Still one day you will face Him as He judges you and if you hold onto your sin you will have no excuse.
Cult, cult, cult.
By the way, Rekeisha, I'm not just being funny, here.
You really sound like a mind-blown cultist, and not because you're a Christian. Every time I read your posts, my mouth literally hangs open for a moment in amazement at how you sound like a drone, like a caricatured, two-dimensional (badly written) cultist in a horror film. You are not doing your religion any good by talking to anyone like this, and especially not when talking to open skeptics of your faith.
Try not just repeating mantras at us, especially simplistic ones we've heard a million times from people much less mind-blown than you seem to be from the way you speak here, but actually engaging your mind and offering some well-reasoned, thoughtful responses.
If I wanted to see someone looking like they're in a trance and mumbling "praise the Lord" while waving together en masse, I'd go to a Christian rock concert at an evangelism conference.
Dude.....I almost fell out my chair......
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 11:14 am
(September 25, 2015 at 10:40 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: If I wanted to see someone looking like they're in a trance and mumbling "praise the Lord" while waving together en masse, I'd go to a Christian rock concert at an evangelism conference.
It's a life to-do that, seriously. I spent 3 weeks travelling various parts of the US and was annoyed that was the only thing I didn't cross off my list.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 11:18 am
(September 25, 2015 at 11:14 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: (September 25, 2015 at 10:40 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: If I wanted to see someone looking like they're in a trance and mumbling "praise the Lord" while waving together en masse, I'd go to a Christian rock concert at an evangelism conference.
It's a life to-do that, seriously. I spent 3 weeks travelling various parts of the US and was annoyed that was the only thing I didn't cross off my list.
Oh, I've done it. That's the part Rekeisha isn't getting. I was one of those mind-blown cultists.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
September 25, 2015 at 11:25 am
(September 25, 2015 at 10:00 am)Rekeisha Wrote: (September 24, 2015 at 9:32 am)Stimbo Wrote: Why do I sin?
The simplest answer is because you want to. Ask yourself do you want to follow God or do your own thing?
The other part of the answer is you were born into sin because adam and eve cursed humanity with their act of rebellion. They enslaved people to a rebellious human nature. That is why God sent His son to die for our sins because without him we are unable to live the righteous life God commans of us to live. He enlightens us to this fact and will show us how rebellion affects us and others.
Ricketykeisha, do you believe we evolved or that we were designed and created by God? Assuming you think it is the latter can you explain to me why God would implant a sinful nature in us? Why the conflict? If I were going on a trip with station wagon full of brats in the back there is no way I'd choose to give them a sinful nature and then coerce them to behave with sticks and carrots. Is God a masochist like that? Why would He put Himself through all that?
GO TO APOLOGIST ANSWER: Free will!
Yeah, yeah. I know. But why the sinful disposition? If we really were designed by a perfect being why install a disposition to 'sin'? Couldn't we be given a desire to be the way God wants us to be and still keep our free will? Or maybe God enjoys putting lots distractors out there so that He can choose only those that are just really intimidated by Him and will do whatever He asks. I guess God wants submission to Him t cost us something, you know, like our pride.
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