The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Cato]

Yahweh needs a good stiff dick in his bum.

I would be happy to oblige.

[robvalue]

Yahweh needs a good stiff dick in his bum.

Yahweh: "That would be amazing, but can you pull all these Christians out first?"

[vorlon13]

Saw a pic of a whisk (a good size one at that) that was

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let's just say, God might need to start smaller . . .

[robvalue]

If we appoint an atheist leader, and I go around telling theists that this leader is going to torture them if they don't de convert, do you think they'd find that reasonable? After all, I'm only passing on the message.

Of course, they don't need to know who the leader is. I don't need to prove he exists at all in fact. All they need to know is that I am in communication with this leader, and what he says goes.

Convert or be tortured!

In this hypothetical situation, is this an OK way to behave?

Oh, I forgot, this leader loves them very much.

[Chad32]

Since they think allah is a different person than Yahweh, and he has a nice spot in hell for christians too, I'd say they'd just talk about how evil this atheist leader is. No big worry about Pascal's wager there.

[robvalue]

Yeah right, because it's different when it's a human.

But I'd bet that most theists, while going on about supernatural this, and non physical that, are really just imagining an old man.

[Rekeisha]

How do you justify with your world view that God would be wrong to judge you? How do you know that humans are flawed or imperfect at all? What is your standard to judge perfection? What is your standard to judge what is morally right and wrong?

[robvalue]

I only talk about God as a hypothetical scenario, generally for reductio ad absurdum.

I'm a very good judge of morality I think. I care about other people and animals very deeply. It's not as complicated as some people like to think.

If there is a god, I don't give a flying fuck what he thinks. It's only his opinion.

No torture for me today, except life itself.

[Chad32]

How do you justify with your world view that God would be wrong to judge you? How do you know that humans are flawed or imperfect at all? What is your standard to judge perfection? What is your standard to judge what is morally right and wrong?

Given the kinds of things he's supposed to have done, I can't think of any Human off the top of my head that's a worse person than him. I know Humans are flawed because sometimes when we try to do something, we mess up on things we shouldn't mess up on. I don't know that anything is perfect. At least not in every way, all the time. My standard of what is right and wrong is things that can be objectively proven to be better than any alternative. A pretty good measurement is "If this happened to you, would you be ok with it?". That in itsself wouldn't be a perfect measurement, but it's a good baseline.

[robvalue]

I never got an answer to this from anyone, let's try again:

What is more evil than torturing someone for eternity for a finite crime? Any Christian want to have a stab at that? What could anyone do that is more evil? I can think of only one example.