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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 3, 2015 at 10:45 am
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What's happeneing to this thread? What if two Rik threads collided...
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 4, 2015 at 7:25 am
(April 3, 2015 at 10:41 am)Tonus Wrote: Quote:Would you reciprocate someone who doesn't give a damn about you?
I wouldn't. And since god doesn't give a damn about me, I don't give a damn about him.
That's interesting.
Instead of saying...........THERE IS NO GOD SO HOW CAN SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT EXIST CAN OR CAN NOT EXPRESS HIMSELF?
You say...........god doesn't give a damn about me.........
In this way you may imply that there is a God that does or does not something.
You never thought about it, did you Ton? 
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 4, 2015 at 9:07 am
Of course I thought about it. And I know that if I say that there is no god to care about, you will ask how I can know that. If I go along with your premise and follow it to a reasonable conclusion, you ignore it and wonder if my wording indicates a belief in god. My wording isn't an indicator of some latent belief in god. Your interpretation of it sounds like yet another attempt to strengthen your own delusion by implying that I believe in it, too. In any case it looks like another way of avoiding the question by focusing on something trivial and silly. Maybe your faith is slipping?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 4, 2015 at 10:59 am
(April 4, 2015 at 9:07 am)Tonus Wrote: Of course I thought about it. And I know that if I say that there is no god to care about, you will ask how I can know that. If I go along with your premise and follow it to a reasonable conclusion, you ignore it and wonder if my wording indicates a belief in god. My wording isn't an indicator of some latent belief in god. Your interpretation of it sounds like yet another attempt to strengthen your own delusion by implying that I believe in it, too. In any case it looks like another way of avoiding the question by focusing on something trivial and silly. Maybe your faith is slipping?
Ok. let us come back to your original question then.
You say......... since god doesn't give a damn about me, I don't give a damn about him.
Let me guess.
You imply that you did make an effort to know Him and he never reciprocate.
Did you?
Or maybe you thought that he should be the first to let you know that he exist?
Did you?
In order to explain you how the system works i report my previous post in reply to Simon Moon.
Humans can not keep the feet or the mind in two different places at the same time.
How can you be in London and Sydney at the same time?
How can you believe in materialism and spirituality at the same time?
Impossible.
Suppose that you are a materialist 50%, and an intellectual 49% and the 1% left is just curiosity about spirituality.
Why God would manifest in you when your interest in Him is so tiny?
This is just an example as i don't really know where your thoughts are but i hope you understand how the system
works
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 4, 2015 at 4:56 pm
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(April 4, 2015 at 10:59 am)Riketto Wrote: Ok. let us come back to your original question then. It wasn't a question. A non-existent god will not care about me, and it's a waste of my time to care about him.
If god is so intent on hiding from me that he appears to not exist, I am content to treat him as he desires. If he wants to have a chat, he knows where I am.
The nonsense about materialism and spiritualism would not stop god from tapping me on the shoulder and saying "hello." As I have already pointed out, if I need to believe in order to believe, then belief is useless. Making excuses for why god won't just show himself does little to convince me that he is real. Come up with something better than explanations for how limited god is, because those simply don't work. At best, they make him seem like a coward.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 5, 2015 at 3:32 am
(April 4, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Tonus Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:59 am)Riketto Wrote: Ok. let us come back to your original question then. It wasn't a question. A non-existent god will not care about me, and it's a waste of my time to care about him.
If god is so intent on hiding from me that he appears to not exist, I am content to treat him as he desires. If he wants to have a chat, he knows where I am.
The nonsense about materialism and spiritualism would not stop god from tapping me on the shoulder and saying "hello." As I have already pointed out, if I need to believe in order to believe, then belief is useless. Making excuses for why god won't just show himself does little to convince me that he is real. Come up with something better than explanations for how limited god is, because those simply don't work. At best, they make him seem like a coward.
Tell me something Ton.
Would you plant a tree in the desert knowing very well that the chances to survive would be zero?
Why God would waste his time doing something that would NOT bear any fruit?
Sarkar said that the mind of an intellectual (and here he specially means atheists) is like a desert
therefore God can not be there.
Here you may say.......... WHAT'S WRONG WITH USING THE MIND?
Both body and mind can not achieve any progress.
Progress can only be achieved in the spiritual stratum so by filling own mind with something that
deliver no progress at all lead the mind to become a desert.  
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 5, 2015 at 7:19 am
So Ricky is saying you have to be stupid to believe in god. Thank you captain obvious.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 5, 2015 at 8:04 am
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Riketto Wrote:Why God would waste his time doing something that would NOT bear any fruit? That makes no sense. At all.
If god revealed himself to me, why do you think it would "not bear any fruit"? If he revealed himself, I would believe in him. If god will only reveal himself after I believe, then he's a dolt. He's stupid. He's illogical. He would also be completely useless. If I don't need god in order to believe in god... oh, I see. That explains it, I guess.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 5, 2015 at 9:04 am
(April 5, 2015 at 8:04 am)Tonus Wrote: Riketto Wrote:Why God would waste his time doing something that would NOT bear any fruit? That makes no sense. At all.
If god revealed himself to me, why do you think it would "not bear any fruit"? If he revealed himself, I would believe in him. If god will only reveal himself after I believe, then he's a dolt. He's stupid. He's illogical. He would also be completely useless. If I don't need god in order to believe in god... oh, I see. That explains it, I guess.
You know what you remind me Ton?
You remind me that guy that after winning millions at lotto wasted everything in a short time leaving him worse off than before.
People who are unprepared to handle something shouldn't be allow to handle a particular thing.
Would you give the keys of your car to your 10 years old son?
Is this logical or illogical?
Look at religious people.
They think that God is external so this illusion make them search him in the wrong place.
Atheists got similar dogmas.
They expect a God that can be perceived in a physical-mental way rather than within our consciousness.
That is why Sarkar said that there is no way that God will ever manifest in a mind that is dry like a desert.
Unless you prepare the correct soil to plant the tree of knowledge the tree can not possibly grow and bear fruits.
Before you even think that you will believe in case he show up to you you got to decide what is more important in
your life that is why i brought forward the example that you can not be in two places at the same time.
If materialism and the intellect is more important than you may well forget about spirituality.
It is just not possible to have the lot. 
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RE: God Just Changed His Mind (from Evil to Good)
April 5, 2015 at 9:46 am
let's see, something happened based on probability and so god had to alter a day to day particular?
can "it" predict the future? well, even I know you can in the short term most times. I know I am going to die and pay my taxes. At the moment of the big we were going to be here. so yeah, it is a logical claim that if god were there he could logically change his mind. As for humans? we can misunderstand the change and illogically say it was for punishment or only love.
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