Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?

[paulpablo]

I think he should have. I was recording a video* entitled "It's Halal Therefore It's Healthy?" and, as I was, I started thinking about this. If Muhammad was really sent by Allah then he should have known that alcohol has many uses besides being something to drink. He should have predicted that alcohol can be used to kill germs. Muhammad could have said: "alcohol is only forbidden if you drink it". But general consensus is that he did not.

Link to video:

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https://youtu.be/EmMD7gB01p8

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The quran actually does say that it has benefits, yet the sin outweighs the benefits.




Sahih International

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."

[Longhorn]

alcohol can help in getting rid of some germs ive heard but it mostly soothes and carms a person down it does alot of brain affecting. makes people do stuff they shouldnt do. the sin aint drinking drinks but getting drunk. letting it consume you.  control your drinking.

Riddle me this: I drink alcohol, yet I'm perfectly capable of using punctuation. We have a conundrum.

I don't drink, I just really hate dots

[Minimalist]

What a convenient excuse for the abysmal failures of your God

Looks like we have another winner showing up.

[ReptilianPeon]

The quran actually does say that it has benefits, yet the sin outweighs the benefits.

Sahih International

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."

First off, I'm not keen on Sahih International. For example, it forces the word sperm into Quran 23:14 as the translation is contaminated by the science in the Quran narrative, as it is a much more recent translation than many of the others. Sahih International is a poisonous translation. It was translated in Saudi Arabia and they spend billions propagating Fascism.

Secondly, I'm not sure that verse is really a good defence of the Quran. The verse is only talking about wine, a particular type of alcohol. If, as is claimed that the Quran says, the sins of interacting with (any) alcohol really do outweigh the risks then it implies that Allah does not value human life because no exception is made for medical purposes.

The ingestion of alcohol, it can be argued, does have many more risks than benefits but the Quran isn't saying this. The Quran never says that in future alcohol will be used to combat the spread of infection. That would have been an excellent prediction by Muhammad.

[Napoléon]

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Riddle me this: I drink alcohol, yet I'm perfectly capable of using punctuation. We have a conundrum.

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[Prince]

The quran actually does say that it has benefits, yet the sin outweighs the benefits.

Sahih International

They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."

First off, I'm not keen on Sahih International. For example, it forces the word sperm into Quran 23:14 as the translation is contaminated by the science in the Quran narrative, as it is a much more recent translation than many of the others. Sahih International is a poisonous translation. It was translated in Saudi Arabia and they spend billions propagating Fascism.

Secondly, I'm not sure that verse is really a good defence of the Quran. The verse is only talking about wine, a particular type of alcohol. If, as is claimed that the Quran says, the sins of interacting with (any) alcohol really do outweigh the risks then it implies that Allah does not value human life because no exception is made for medical purposes.

The ingestion of alcohol, it can be argued, does have many more risks than benefits but the Quran isn't saying this. The Quran never says that in future alcohol will be used to combat the spread of infection. That would have been an excellent prediction by Muhammad.

Allow me to translate this verse from Arabic into English, I am actually a translator and can clarify things way better. According to the Arabic verse, it says:

It basically saying that "consuming alcohol is a great sin", the reason why it is a sin, because it alters the human mind and his behavior. The person might commit evil rather than good. That is the only explanation why Alcohol is prohibited. It also talks about "gambling", it is prohibited because it causes more harm to the person who lost all his money, if he lost the gambling for instance.

Benefits of Alcohol: it doesn't say any particular benefits in the verse... but if you go back to the Gospel, it mentions about benefits of alcohol and how it heals wounds.
Benefits of gambling: it will make the person who won the gambling richer... 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Germs are another way for Allah to fuck with us.

you are perfectly right. allah is the devil and he Fs with us.

Who made the devil, according to your Bible?

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you are perfectly right. allah is the devil and he Fs with us.

What a convenient excuse for the abysmal failures of your God

alcohol can help in getting rid of some germs ive heard but it mostly soothes and carms a person down it does alot of brain affecting. makes people do stuff they shouldnt do. the sin aint drinking drinks but getting drunk. letting it consume you.  control your drinking.

Riddle me this: I drink alcohol, yet I'm perfectly capable of using punctuation. We have a conundrum.

That's because, in addition to being our resident physicist, you are our Grammar-NaZi-in-chief.

[abaris]

It basically saying that "consuming alcohol is a great sin", the reason why it is a sin, because it alters the human mind and his behavior. The person might commit evil rather than good. That is the only explanation why Alcohol is prohibited. It also talks about "gambling", it is prohibited because it causes more harm to the person who lost all his money, if he lost the gambling for instance.

Well, Hafiz didn't have that problem when talking about drinking from the large jug.

[Alex K]

Lol, Parkers, that's terrible! I can't kudos that!

[ReptilianPeon]

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First off, I'm not keen on Sahih International. For example, it forces the word sperm into Quran 23:14 as the translation is contaminated by the science in the Quran narrative, as it is a much more recent translation than many of the others. Sahih International is a poisonous translation. It was translated in Saudi Arabia and they spend billions propagating Fascism. Secondly, I'm not sure that verse is really a good defence of the Quran. The verse is only talking about wine, a particular type of alcohol. If, as is claimed that the Quran says, the sins of interacting with (any) alcohol really do outweigh the risks then it implies that Allah does not value human life because no exception is made for medical purposes. The ingestion of alcohol, it can be argued, does have many more risks than benefits but the Quran isn't saying this. The Quran never says that in future alcohol will be used to combat the spread of infection. That would have been an excellent prediction by Muhammad.

Allow me to translate this verse from Arabic into English, I am actually a translator and can clarify things way better. According to the Arabic verse, it says: It basically saying that "consuming alcohol is a great sin", the reason why it is a sin, because it alters the human mind and his behavior. The person might commit evil rather than good. That is the only explanation why Alcohol is prohibited. It also talks about "gambling", it is prohibited because it causes more harm to the person who lost all his money, if he lost the gambling for instance. Benefits of Alcohol: it doesn't say any particular benefits in the verse... but if you go back to the Gospel, it mentions about benefits of alcohol and how it heals wounds. Benefits of gambling: it will make the person who won the gambling richer... 

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Thank for your clarification. That does help my point actually, because there is no distinction within the Quran. In regard to the Gospel saying alcohol heals wounds, might that be a reference to one of two things:

1. The fact that drunkenness causes people to forgot things? Alcohol doesn't heal wounds per se. What the alcohol is doing is disinfecting. What heals psychical wounds is an operation by a medical professional.#

2. Alcohol causes people to get together, say in an English pub and gives them a reason to be sociable with each other and so they put aside their differences. I remember reading a poem once (can't remember the title) about the Great War and it talked about how an Englishman met a German in a pub and how if they met on the battlefield things would be so different.