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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
June 6, 2015 at 2:53 pm
(June 6, 2015 at 2:47 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (June 6, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Bigmo Wrote: [...]
The Quran spoke against drunkiness especially in times of praying and animosity it can cause between humans. Moderation is the key here. Moderate use of alcohol is OK from a Quranic perspectives.
OK, that's cool. Now - what about moderate use of bacon? 
Unlike alcohol the Quran does not state any reason for pork. There are many theories but eating pork is a smaller deal (at least to me) than alcohol. Alcohol as we know can make you intoxicated . I don't think most Quranist care about pork.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
June 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm
(April 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: ...
It seems Allah not value the lives of humans. Humans die everyday because of the germs Allah created. And yet, Allah has the audacity to forbid a substance which kills germs and will ultimately lessen the suffering of humans? It's as if Allah actually wants humans to die..
I would say that is about right:
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
June 7, 2015 at 3:27 pm
(June 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (April 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: ...
It seems Allah not value the lives of humans. Humans die everyday because of the germs Allah created. And yet, Allah has the audacity to forbid a substance which kills germs and will ultimately lessen the suffering of humans? It's as if Allah actually wants humans to die..
I would say that is about right:
That verse isn't advice on how to use boiling water on enemies, it's a short description of what happens to sinners in hell.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
June 10, 2015 at 9:55 am
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(June 6, 2015 at 2:53 pm)Bigmo Wrote: (June 6, 2015 at 2:47 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: OK, that's cool. Now - what about moderate use of bacon?
Unlike alcohol the Quran does not state any reason for pork. There are many theories but eating pork is a smaller deal (at least to me) than alcohol. Alcohol as we know can make you intoxicated . I don't think most Quranist care about pork.
I thought it had something to do with pigs being seen as unclean, it might not be in the Quran, remember a lot of Islamic teachings also come from the Hadith too (although not sure if it's in those, but might be).
As for alcohol, I'm sure it's more healthy to drink a moderate amount of alcohol (not binge drinking obviously) than not drinking alcohol at all. It's supposed to be good for your mental health. Besides that, it's not like anyone knew back then that alcohol kills germs, people barely knew about the concept of germs. Alcohol only had one use back then; getting people drunk. It's just another example of how religious teaching is outdated and has been made irrelevant by science.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
January 7, 2016 at 6:30 pm
(April 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: (April 6, 2015 at 5:08 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Germs are another way for Allah to fuck with us.
Yeah, but life is a test. Even unnecessary is necessary because Allah is testing us. Quran 2:155, for example, mentions this: "Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,"
It seems Allah not value the lives of humans. Humans die everyday because of the germs Allah created. And yet, Allah has the audacity to forbid a substance which kills germs and will ultimately lessen the suffering of humans? It's as if Allah actually wants humans to die..
We all have to die as creatures of Allah. The only One who has lived forever and will live forever is Allah who is The Creator. Death is a part of life. Remember we were not created for this temporary world we live in ,but for the eternal afterlife. Now which place we end up depends upon how we live and follow Allah's guidance in this life which determines whether our reward in the afterlife will be an innumerable amount of times better than we can imagine or an innumerable amount of times worse.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
January 9, 2016 at 2:03 am
(January 7, 2016 at 6:30 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: (April 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Yeah, but life is a test. Even unnecessary is necessary because Allah is testing us. Quran 2:155, for example, mentions this: "Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,"
It seems Allah not value the lives of humans. Humans die everyday because of the germs Allah created. And yet, Allah has the audacity to forbid a substance which kills germs and will ultimately lessen the suffering of humans? It's as if Allah actually wants humans to die..
We all have to die as creatures of Allah. The only One who has lived forever and will live forever is Allah who is The Creator. Death is a part of life. Remember we were not created for this temporary world we live in ,but for the eternal afterlife. Now which place we end up depends upon how we live and follow Allah's guidance in this life which determines whether our reward in the afterlife will be an innumerable amount of times better than we can imagine or an innumerable amount of times worse. According to the fairy tale if you want women then you should go to hell because that's where most of them will be.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
January 9, 2016 at 2:46 am
Quote: The only One who has lived forever and will live forever is Allah who is The Creator.
Well then fuck him.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
January 9, 2016 at 6:17 am
once again you ought to do your research before you make statements or you will look foolish
the Quran says about Alcohol
They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
January 9, 2016 at 6:54 am
(January 9, 2016 at 6:17 am)yukapuka Wrote: They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.
That's interesting... Say - where does all the [sh*t in the brackets] come from? Is it in the Quran?
Or are you just making sh*t up as you go along, so that your silly old book doesn't look like a selection of irrelevant and incoherent rantings, committed by some goat-f*ckers in the desert long time ago?
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
January 9, 2016 at 7:29 am
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Either it's good advice, in which case it doesn't matter what book it's written in, or it's not and you're doing it just because a book says so.
Muhammad should have known a whole lot more than he seemed to if he was chatting with god. I mean, he must have been the least inquisitive person alive and god the least enabling deity available.
God has to wait for humans to invent stuff before he can "work through them", like proper medicine and stuff.
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