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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 22, 2015 at 3:51 am
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(May 22, 2015 at 2:32 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:
Thank for your clarification. That does help my point actually, because there is no distinction within the Quran. In regard to the Gospel saying alcohol heals wounds, might that be a reference to one of two things:
1. The fact that drunkenness causes people to forgot things? Alcohol doesn't heal wounds per se. What the alcohol is doing is disinfecting. What heals psychical wounds is an operation by a medical professional.#
2. Alcohol causes people to get together, say in an English pub and gives them a reason to be sociable with each other and so they put aside their differences. I remember reading a poem once (can't remember the title) about the Great War and it talked about how an Englishman met a German in a pub and how if they met on the battlefield things would be so different.
Yes, i meant disinfecting. Anyway, I guess the word 'sin' is not something we should consider literally. Once, i remember asking my Religion Teacher "if we aren't allowed to drink alcohol in this life, then when can we drink?" With an open heart he replied to me: "don't worry!... in heaven we are allowed to drink as much alcohol as we want, there is no limit"
He basically meant, we cannot get fucked up in this life, otherwise we will end up in Hell. But we could get hangovers in Heaven, it is God's blessings..!!!
This is the teachings of Islam, what do you think?
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 22, 2015 at 4:35 am
I think it's nonsense.
Isn't it a complete and utter double standard to say "You can't drink here because it's sinful, but in heaven (a place entirely free of sin) you can drink as much as you want"?
It's like saying "you can't rape anyone on earth because it's sinful, but in heaven you can rape as much as you want!"
It's ridiculous, convoluted, and makes no sense whatsoever, and that's bracketing out all the additional nonsense about alcohol somehow being inherently 'bad' (in a spiritual/sinful way).
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 22, 2015 at 4:59 am
Allah couldn't be bothered to tell Muhammed that the earth wasn't flat or the centre of the universe either.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 22, 2015 at 8:53 am
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(May 22, 2015 at 4:35 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: I think it's nonsense.
Isn't it a complete and utter double standard to say "You can't drink here because it's sinful, but in heaven (a place entirely free of sin) you can drink as much as you want"?
It's like saying "you can't rape anyone on earth because it's sinful, but in heaven you can rape as much as you want!"
It's ridiculous, convoluted, and makes no sense whatsoever, and that's bracketing out all the additional nonsense about alcohol somehow being inherently 'bad' (in a spiritual/sinful way).
Most of the teachings of Islam are the same. On earth we have limited life and we must do lawful acts, but once we go to heaven we have the opportunity to do what ever we desire, we can have unlimited amount of wives or servants.... there is wine we can drink, only allowed in Heaven. Why do you think Suicide Bombers love to enter Heaven early, because they are awaiting for God's rewards.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 23, 2015 at 4:34 am
I thought it was because they are brainwashed morons.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 23, 2015 at 12:36 pm
(May 21, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Alex K Wrote: Lol, Parkers, that's terrible! I can't kudos that! 
You laughed, that's kudos enough. :lol:
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 24, 2015 at 7:29 am
(April 6, 2015 at 4:43 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I think he should have. I was recording a video* entitled "It's Halal Therefore It's Healthy?" and, as I was, I started thinking about this. If Muhammad was really sent by Allah then he should have known that alcohol has many uses besides being something to drink. He should have predicted that alcohol can be used to kill germs. Muhammad could have said: "alcohol is only forbidden if you drink it". But general consensus is that he did not.
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No, they didn't know about germs until the 19th century.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
May 24, 2015 at 8:29 pm
(May 24, 2015 at 7:29 am)Aractus Wrote: (April 6, 2015 at 4:43 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I think he should have. I was recording a video* entitled "It's Halal Therefore It's Healthy?" and, as I was, I started thinking about this. If Muhammad was really sent by Allah then he should have known that alcohol has many uses besides being something to drink. He should have predicted that alcohol can be used to kill germs. Muhammad could have said: "alcohol is only forbidden if you drink it". But general consensus is that he did not.
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No, they didn't know about germs until the 19th century.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
June 6, 2015 at 2:45 pm
(April 6, 2015 at 4:43 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I think he should have. I was recording a video* entitled "It's Halal Therefore It's Healthy?" and, as I was, I started thinking about this. If Muhammad was really sent by Allah then he should have known that alcohol has many uses besides being something to drink. He should have predicted that alcohol can be used to kill germs. Muhammad could have said: "alcohol is only forbidden if you drink it". But general consensus is that he did not.
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Sahih Bukhari is hadiths and not Quran. The forbidden of alcohol comes from hadiths and not Quran. Hadiths are oral traditions that were compiled centures after Muhammad and the Quran.
The hadiths claimed that initially alcohol was not forbidden but was forbidden later in Muhammad's life. It says that alcohol is a grave sin and anyone caught can get flogged.
The Quran spoke against drunkiness especially in times of praying and animosity it can cause between humans. Moderation is the key here. Moderate use of alcohol is OK from a Quranic perspectives.
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RE: Should Muhammad have known alcohol is amazing at killing germs?
June 6, 2015 at 2:47 pm
(June 6, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Bigmo Wrote: [...]
The Quran spoke against drunkiness especially in times of praying and animosity it can cause between humans. Moderation is the key here. Moderate use of alcohol is OK from a Quranic perspectives.
OK, that's cool. Now - what about moderate use of bacon? 
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