Being gay is a fetish.

[Silver]

What I do believe is that it results from the brain's plasticity and the brain fixating on the 'wrong' thing in a critical stage of development

This is just my opinion, to which I am entitled just as much as everyone else is to theirs.

I am calling bullshit due to your contextual usage of the word wrong .

Also, just as you have a right to your opinion, anyone has the right to state how retarded that opinion is. Opinions are not above reproach, after all.

[robvalue]

I think people could certainly delude themselves into thinking they have made a choice, when actually they have just repressed urges. I think this is in fact quite common. Hopefully less so now than it used to be. Sadly religion provides incentive for such a delusion, ranging from acceptance to not getting set on fire.

[emjay]

I was just stating my opinion rob. It's just an opinion and it may be wrong. And what is a Poe by the way?

I never thought I had any choice in it but this thread made me step out of the box for a minute and look at it from a different perspective. And in any case I'm only referring to what you choose to concentrate on, not your underlying attractions. I could pick up a straight porn mag and focus on that, do it for a few months and I might find myself identifying more as straight. That's all I'm saying. It's all in my post if anyone will read it properly.

How do I put this in a way that's understandable to you people...
Google "Manuel Uribe". Now try to feel attracted to him before he lost weight. "Focus on that". See if it works.

Me people? What people. I am gay. I'm happy to be gay. I'm not going to change for anyone, not for religion, not for peer pressure, not for anything. I'm just saying how I believe it develops.

[One Above All]

How do I put this in a way that's understandable to you people...
Google "Manuel Uribe". Now try to feel attracted to him before he lost weight. "Focus on that". See if it works.

Me people? What people. I am gay. I'm happy to be gay. I'm not going to change for anyone, not for religion, not for peer pressure, not for anything. I'm just saying how I believe it develops.

And I told you that's not how it works, offering myself as an example. I have homosexual friends who share a story similar to mine. Yet you keep trying to push the same demonstrably false PoV. Hence, troll or poe.

[emjay]

What I do believe is that it results from the brain's plasticity and the brain fixating on the 'wrong' thing in a critical stage of development

This is just my opinion, to which I am entitled just as much as everyone else is to theirs.

I am calling bullshit due to your contextual usage of the word wrong .

Also, just as you have a right to your opinion, anyone has the right to state how retarded that opinion is.  Opinions are not above reproach, after all.

What do you think my opinion is?

[The Grand Nudger]

Sexuality is NOT like cultivating your flavor palate. I've never heard such bullshit.

The question is whether or not sexual orientation is innate.   Its an open question of science and the fact that you've "never heard such bullshit" doesn't suggest that is not true.  The fact that you've "never heard such bullshit" only suggests you're not well read.

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So you're saying repressing one's sexuality and lead a miserable life is the way to go. I bet you never met a gay person in your whole life, cause if you did, you might have just talked to them instead of letting your ass do the talking about things you clearly don't understand and don't want to understand.

I've hired lots of gays to work for me.  I hired this one gay guy and he kept recommending different people to me who I went on to hire. It wasn't long before I had a buttload of gays working for me.
Now lets go on to what I am saying.  A lot of people would accept these premises.
Premise 1: Homosexual behavior is unnatural and immoral.
Premise 2: Gays choose to engage in homosexual behavior.
Conclusion: Gays make a willful choice to engage in immoral behavior.
So when someone says, "Being gay is a choice" they probably do not mean, "being attracted to the same sex is a choice".  What they probably mean is being gay means you have chosen to engage in immoral behavior.  The same people who claim being gay is a choice would probably also conclude that being a fornicator is a choice.

Hey..check it out, that's you..Heywood...."not saying" you have a problem with anal sex...lol.  Should I find some more choice posts about how penises don't "go in" assholes...how god might expect people to know that....how gays should stop trying to convince others that there's nothing wrong with them........and all that lovely business about the tulips?  It;s difficult to determine whether you're being more disingenuous with us, or with yourself...on this count.

[emjay]

Me people? What people. I am gay. I'm happy to be gay. I'm not going to change for anyone, not for religion, not for peer pressure, not for anything. I'm just saying how I believe it develops.

And I told you that's not how it works, offering myself as an example. I have homosexual friends who share a story similar to mine. Yet you keep trying to push the same demonstrably false PoV. Hence, troll or poe.

I've already stated in my post that if conscious choice is involved it would be different for different people:

"Whether any conscious choice is involved in that process I do not know - that might differ between individuals - but what I do know is that if there was a choice it was an uninformed choice - like most childhood choices are."


You're saying you had no choice at all. Fair enough. I'm saying that I may have had a choice in some abstract way on the second but not the first question - in that one way or another I focused more on the gay side and over time came to see that as my identity.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The reason homosexuality is not mentioned specifically in the Bible is because if fell within a general category of sexual sin, porneia, that includes all forms of sexual sin and perversity, including heterosexual sodomy and adultery. But that's what you get when atheists read the bible because they're just looking for loopholes to justify their basest desires.

Of the many stupid posts I've seen from you, this is certainly the stupidest ... a moronic recasting of "atheists just want to sin" that not only misrepresents atheists for the most part, but represents clearly your own bigotry.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Naw, I just get bored with the antireligious bigotry, juvenile insults, and unrepentant depravity of irrational nihilists that take over the threads as they grow longer.

Fight on, Christian warrior, lawlz.

Off you go Chad, sure there's another thread on the forum you can contribute precisely fuck all to.

[robvalue]

It's a real pain having to find loop holes in every religious text, every time I want to go poke a kid in the eye or something. There's frigging hundreds of them.