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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 1:32 am
No idea. I do know that if Allah or Yahweh exist, they are extremely shy around me, or are making sure that everything they do looks exactly like what would happen anyway.
Even when I call them frosty dicks.
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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 7:39 am
(April 22, 2015 at 1:32 am)robvalue Wrote: No idea. I do know that if Allah or Yahweh exist, they are extremely shy around me, or are making sure that everything they do looks exactly like what would happen anyway.
Even when I call them frosty dicks.
They never existed because humans made them up, but yea, if one wants to play "lets pretend" I agree, that would make them frosty dicks.
No sane parent I would call moral would set up such a crappy home and stick their kids on it, hand them weapons and say "get along but at the same time kill for me".
Quite often, and not just on this website, but all over the net on other pages and on FB and twitter, I quite often get blasted for my blasphemy like I am equal to the same zealotry as the right wingers of any religion. If one has no intent on getting violent but simply refuses to sugar coat their responses to bad logic, that is not a crime.
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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2015 at 8:19 am by robvalue.)
Surely every time Jesus is prayed to that is blasphemy against Mohammed or something, and vice versa? And blasphemy against an infinite number of other possible gods which could actually be the real one.
I'll take my chances with these flakey guys.
It would be interesting to be a theist for a day, to see what the hell is apparently going on all around me.
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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 10:32 am
(April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am)robvalue Wrote: It would be interesting to be a theist for a day, to see what the hell is apparently going on all around me.
I've wondered whether I would be able to self delude out of curiosity also. It would take a huge effort and isolation from what I know now so perhaps not possible for me. There's also the danger that you would get 'stuck' there (although maybe it's quite pleasant in lala land). But I would love to be able to have some sort of insight. My mind appears to simply block it as soon as I think too deeply about it though (dark forces I expect).
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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 10:52 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2015 at 10:54 am by robvalue.)
Lol yeah. I just can't do it, no matter how much someone goes "oh just trying believing in [nonsense]" I simply can't. If I could flip a switch and believe it for a day and flip it back, then maybe I would. But like you say, I'd be worried it would mess with me too much!
I really want to know what they see... Because I'm buggered if I can figure it out. Are they just mentally attributing causation to everything? I've never been in that frame of mind.
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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 3:16 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2015 at 3:21 pm by Goon.)
the Qur'an is a terrible book of hate and submission. It's the like the bible in many ways. All the psycho stuff is still deemed right and doesn't get the "the new testament is the way to live!" run-around.
(April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am)robvalue Wrote: Surely every time Jesus is prayed to that is blasphemy against Mohammed or something, and vice versa? And blasphemy against an infinite number of other possible gods which could actually be the real one.
I'll take my chances with these flakey guys.
It would be interesting to be a theist for a day, to see what the hell is apparently going on all around me. you just see people making up excuses that are ridiculous. I remember myself saying that capitalism was to blame for the world and not my all-knowing deity friend. Yes, I do feel stupid for saying things like that. You really hear stupid things.. like how slavery in the bible was a blessing for the girls involved.. the girls turned to slaves by their fathers.. sold off... it was a blessing to have a roof and a place to sleep, etc... theism is just a bunch of ridiculous notions put together to create their views on science and discovery. it's thinking for pussies.
Do you know how to spot a moron? They use the word "evolutionist"... lol
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RE: About Islam
April 22, 2015 at 3:46 pm
(April 22, 2015 at 10:52 am)robvalue Wrote: Lol yeah. I just can't do it, no matter how much someone goes "oh just trying believing in [nonsense]" I simply can't. If I could flip a switch and believe it for a day and flip it back, then maybe I would. But like you say, I'd be worried it would mess with me too much!
I really want to know what they see... Because I'm buggered if I can figure it out. Are they just mentally attributing causation to everything? I've never been in that frame of mind.
If memory serves me correctly Dawkins once claimed he wanted his death recorded so no one could claim he had a deathbed conversion.
Bad idea, if your brain has been injured or a disease puts you in decline that will no longer be you in a lucid state. I cannot say I will never fall back into religion in the future, but I won't be in my current lucid state if that happened.
Even something mentally traumatizing causing PTSD could easily cause that.
I can only say right now as long as my current lucid state continues and I die quickly like from a heart attack or an accident, the odds are going to be I will go to my grave an atheist. If I ever mumble garbage being doped up from drugs or mental decline, I don't want anything I say at that point being taken as a conversion.
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RE: About Islam
April 27, 2015 at 5:19 pm
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2015 at 5:20 pm by Mohammed1212.)
It is similar to Christianity and Judaism.
The book is quite flexible and many do cherry-picking.
You can find a verse which commends you to kill non-Musilms and you can find another that commends you to treat them fair.
They believe in one God and they don't consider Jesus or Mary God.
They are required to pray five times everyday. They have to do a Pilgrimage to Makka at least once in lifetime. They have to fast every year for 30 days or 29 days (It depends on the Arabic calendar). Charity is also a must.
There are heaven and hell and purgatory. Everyone will be in hell as long as they don't convert to Islam.
I don't know what else I can say, but feel free to ask. Islam is not that different from other religions.
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RE: About Islam
May 1, 2015 at 8:27 am
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I've already said this elsewhere, but to me Islam, Christianity and Judaism are as good as the same religion. The only difference is Christianity has secularised and become more benign in recent years.
Sure, there are differences in the actual belief - Christianity has the Holy Trinity and Islam has the 5 pillars. But thinking about the actual "moral values" they promote, they all promote pretty much exactly the same messages;
- Love everyone (apart from the majority who are outside of your religion)
- Patriarchal, misogynistic society
- Spread the message to "non-believers"
- Heaven or Hell after death
The list could go on. It's exactly the same religion tweaked, yet people still go to war over it.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane" - sarcasm_only
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RE: About Islam
May 1, 2015 at 10:43 am
(April 21, 2015 at 5:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What I'm showing by this is the following:
1. These verses have an interpretation proven by either logic, flow of verses, or other parts of the Quran.
None of those are proof.
Quote:2. The true interpretation is the more clearer of the interpretations.
The true interpretation is the one you say it is? Gee, how convincing.
Quote:3. The false interpretation is assumed for some reason by majority of Muslims.
The false interpretation is the one you say it is? Gee, how convincing.
Quote:4. This cannot be rationally explained by natural reasons, there is a reason as to why they can't recite the verses with true interpretation when it's supported by logic or flow of verses or other parts of the Quran, and is also the clearer of the interpretations.
Natural reasons? What does that even mean?
Quote:5. The best explanation is that there a supernatural influence on the people to prevent them from seeing the family of Mohammad, the Imams of guidance, and their position in Quran.
That is most assuredly the least likely explanation. The most likely explanation is that people understand things in different ways and tend to believe what they're taught.
Quote:6. The dark forces being enemy to the family of Mohammad and the true recitation of Quran, is best explained if the family of Mohammad are true Guides and the dark force doesn't want the Muslims to recognize this.
What dark force? Seriously, dude, you need some actual evidence to back up your claims.
Quote:I think it's an argument that is rational.
But it's not. It is delusional.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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