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Poll: ....will you accept God?
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IF in the end, you find that God does exist ....
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No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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(June 1, 2015 at 8:08 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(June 1, 2015 at 6:03 am)emjay Wrote: I was a Christian up until I was 18. I'm now 34. I was basically ignorant when I was a Christian because I believed what I was told about God and Jesus without much questioning and without any proper study of the bible save for cherry-picking verses along with everyone else. That is basically the definition of an idealised delusion so even if god was real, the chances of mine or anyone else's interpretation being correct would be practically zero. So on the off-chance my previous beliefs weren't a delusion and I genuinely met god face to face I would accept him (if he accepted me) quite happily because my previous beliefs were of the fluffy version of God and Jesus, all love and light. But if he was anything else then I would be just as ignorant as anyone else meeting an unknown god face to face and in that situation, if faced with the genuine prospect of an eternity in heaven or an eternity in hell - standing at the gateways to both - I would choose to serve in heaven rather than rebel in hell, even if that made me a coward. But serve would be all it would be; I could  not love without good reason because as has been said before, love is not a choice and it is certainly not real if it is the result of both a threat and a promise. But given the real choice I would much prefer non-existence to eternal life and thankfully all the evidence points towards that outcome.
So there you are facing your dilemma and you decide to serve the unknown god in his heaven instead of rebel in his hell.  He puts you on eternal duty of throwing hot coals on the heads of people in hell.  Do you think you will be happy or will you regret your choice?  If you don't regret your choice then you are just the typical concentration camp guard who tortures people.  Most rational people don't like those guys. 

Good people become evil when they are rewarded for doing evil acts.  If a deity rewards you with a spot in his heaven because you do evil things for him aren't both of you the definition of pure evil?  Remember, the deities of the Bible and the Koran torture people in their lakes of fire.  If you help them then how can you be good?

I meant stuff like making his tea in heaven Wink So of course I'd regret it if he put me to work torturing people in hell. If that happened I'd say fuck this and jump right in, so yes if he put me to work doing evil I would rebel.
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If I found God really existed, I would feed him to my invisible pet dragon.
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Voted "Yes". It stops being a question as to whether God exists, and instead becomes about why there is evil in the world. I'd hear him out and would consider it but if I don't like what he says... I'll go down with all the other sinners rather than worship an evil god.
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(June 2, 2015 at 5:57 am)Cato Wrote: If I found God really existed, I would feed him to my invisible pet dragon.

You have one too? I have pink invisible incorporeal magic dragon quadruplets in the basement myself
They can be a handful, but they refute nonsensical claims like nobody's business Big Grin
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(June 2, 2015 at 8:51 am)Neimenovic Wrote: I have pink invisible incorporeal magic dragon quadruplets in the basement myself

Giving any of the pups away? BTW, what are young dragons called?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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(June 2, 2015 at 11:10 am)IATIA Wrote:
(June 2, 2015 at 8:51 am)Neimenovic Wrote: I have pink invisible incorporeal magic dragon quadruplets in the basement myself

Giving any of the pups away? BTW, what are young dragons called?

Why yes! Interested? If you have a fire hose and a good imagination that's all the qualifications you need!
The names are in no particular order: Banana, Bananana, Banananana and Geoffrey
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I don't know the term for a baby dragon, but a squad of dragons is called a dragoon.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Another interesting question that hasn't been addressed is the rewards program.

If God's a giant douchebag, but heaven is super awesome, and hell sucks balls (in a bad way), I'd definitely bend a knee to get the nice eternity. Eternity seems like a long time to be standing on one's principles.
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Eternity sounds like a long time to be one's self.  I don't know how my positions might change over eternity, or even that there would be any reason to call that changed self..an eternity from now, the same self.  Admittedly, most of my own personal bells and whistles are based on the expected shortness of my existence.  I think that this might be in the periphery of 

"after you've been tortured in hell you may change your tune"

-I may, but as with eternity above......it's difficult to argue that there is continuity of self.....regarding extreme torture.  I could be tormented with hot coals, or tormented with time..and either might coerce me.  But in the here and now..before being tortured or tormented...the only self I can make statements for - says I'd remain as uninterested in death as I am in life.
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