I don't care about bible contradictions.

[Drich]

Do you believe in witches and magic?

Sure you do. Just under a different name. You like most other people are suckers for good marketing. Just change the name of a product, and you foolishly think you have something different. Like for instance the dog food brand 'Kal-Kan' in the 80's was all but ran out of business because they were accused on using horse meat in their dog food. So what did they do? Changed the company name and produced new lables and kept right on pumping the same stuff under a different name.

The same is true here. 2000 years ago any unexplained controlled happening was magic, and the person in control if not a priest or prophet was a witch or sorcerer. Now if someone can produce some unknown or unexplained 'happening' to you, you would generally regaurd it as a matter of science and the person who performed it a scientist or doctor..

The same thing/event can be reproduced, but because someone some where can explain what has it is no longer magic.. which again it just marketing. because in the end whether you know if you know to just to mix equal parts of this specific black powder with this grey powder with 25% of yellow, then one has the power of thunder, fire and smoke.. Or if you know you can mix equal parts of charcoal, saltpeter with 25% sulfer you get gun power. Again the product is the same, the only thing that changes is your attitude or understanding of it and who weilds it.

I don't. Nor do I believe epilepsy is caused by demonic possesion.

There is a large measure of faith to say what happened in demon possession of the bible was indeed epilepsy. As far as I am aware it takes more than a list of symptoms for doctors today to diagnois epilepsy. But, if your a man of faith with out a need for any evidence then who am I to argue.. We have those people on this side of the fence as well.

The bible sure does. Not to mention the talking animals

I guess your not familiar with the more modern term for this.. 'Voice over.'
Eddie murphy made a donkey talk and no one even blinked an eye, They just excepted it. (Again it's all just marketing sport.)

flood that killed everything after only 40 days of rain, ark, etc etc etc. It's all nonsense. The bible contradicts with reality.

It wasn't just rain. How can you say it is all bunk if you don't even seem to understand what is in it? Again I guess this is all just a matter of blind faith for you. I guess you are one of those who simply believe what someone 'smarter' than you says without question or need for evidence.

[Longhorn]

That's the thing.. If you look at the annotated bible answered you will see that 90% of the supposed errors are a matter of translation. If you spoke a second language or even grown up around one, you would know that you can not translate a passage or idea directly that vast majority of the time.

I'm fluent in three.

So you attribute all of the bible's incompatibilities to translation alone? What about those that are simply factual contradictions, like the time Jesus was crucified or how many women went into the sepulcher?

Are you implying that an omnipotent god meaning to convey the message of ultimate truth is absolutely incapable of doing so without making it inevitable that it should be blurred and distorted?

By the way, as the godly man you must be, could you explain one simple issue to me.....why is an allegedly sacred text littered with pointless figures and lists? What is the purpose of them?

It bothered me a lot when I attempted reading the bible. Their presence, among other details, made this supposedly infallible book look a lot like a chronicle, law book and mythology of the Jews patched up together with rumors of an apocalyptic preacher. Underwhelmingly unimpressive for the moral absolute, IMHO

[Drich]

I'm fluent in three.
So you attribute all of the bible's incompatibilities to translation alone?

I guess spending all that time learning three different languages you had to skip over math class. In basic math we learn what's called percentages. this is a percent sign % so when someone like me gives you an answer like "90% of the errors found in the SAB are due to faulty translation" It means out of say 100 errors found 90 of them were having to do with faulty translation.

In otherwords.. Not all but most errors found in the SAB are translation errors.

What about those that are simply factual contradictions, like the time Jesus was crucified or how many women went into the sepulcher?

You do know the difference between a conflict of text and a contradiction right? a conflict in a given text would mean that one person's account may not exactly reflect another but in the end the accounts agree on it's main topic. a contradiction pit's one person's account against the other. they say oppsite things. This thread is about contradictions (As per the title) not just conflicts of text.

Are you implying that an omnipotent god meaning to convey the message of ultimate truth is absolutely incapable of doing so without making it inevitable that it should be blurred and distorted?

So to you and yours 'ultimate truth' falls in how many women went into the sepulcher? or what specific time of day Christ died?

Let me ask you this.. What if I told you my wife and I went into the future just to Saturday at 11:30pm and got the winning lottery numbers, and they were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Then she backed up everything I said, but she added it was actually 11:38 on Saturday night, and we also took my dog... Does her specific recollection change the 'ultimate truth' of the winning lottery numbers we provide?

Now ask yourself. Does the specific recolections of the two specific areas where the gospels conflict, change the ultimate truth of the ultimate ends to the plan of salvation? no. Not at all.

By the way, as the godly man you must be, could you explain one simple issue to me.....why is an allegedly sacred text littered with pointless figures and lists? What is the purpose of them?

what figures and what lists? the genealogies? because for the OT Jew it was away to verify the prophesy of the coming messiah.

It bothered me a lot when I attempted reading the bible. Their presence, among other details, made this supposedly infallible book look a lot like a chronicle,

Maybe because you were reading Chronicals..

law book and

Or maybe you were reading deuteronomy (the book of the law)

mythology of the Jews patched up together with rumors of an apocalyptic preacher.

Maybe because you saw a documentary on the history channel that told you that.

Underwhelmingly unimpressive for the moral absolute, IMHO

Maybe because the bible is not about moral absolutes...
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[tokutter]

So to you and yours 'ultimate truth' falls in how many women went into the sepulcher? or what specific time of day Christ died?

Let me ask you this.. What if I told you my wife and I went into the future just to Saturday at 11:30pm and got the winning lottery numbers, and they were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Then she backed up everything I said, but she added it was actually 11:38 on Saturday night, and we also took my dog... Does her specific recollection change the 'ultimate truth' of the winning lottery numbers we provide?

Now ask yourself. Does the specific recolections of the two specific areas where the gospels conflict, change the ultimate truth of the ultimate ends to the plan of salvation? no. Not at all.

THE ROPE A DOPE CONTINUES..........

Its GODS breathed/inspired WORD..........until someone points out descrepencies.......then


AWWWWWW shucks......just people being people and scribbling shit down.....

[Crossless2.0]

So to you and yours 'ultimate truth' falls in how many women went into the sepulcher? or what specific time of day Christ died?

Let me ask you this.. What if I told you my wife and I went into the future just to Saturday at 11:30pm and got the winning lottery numbers, and they were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Then she backed up everything I said, but she added it was actually 11:38 on Saturday night, and we also took my dog... Does her specific recollection change the 'ultimate truth' of the winning lottery numbers we provide?

Now ask yourself. Does the specific recolections of the two specific areas where the gospels conflict, change the ultimate truth of the ultimate ends to the plan of salvation? no. Not at all.

THE ROPE A DOPE CONTINUES..........

Its GODS breathed/inspired WORD..........until someone points out descrepencies.......then


AWWWWWW shucks......just people being people and scribbling shit down.....

. . . and marketing.  

The sad thing is that Drich doesn't even realize how self-defeating his own posts are.  He just spews his word salads and declares victory, braying like an ass.  It used to amuse me; now I'm just bored with it.

[Longhorn]

You do know the difference between a conflict of text and a contradiction right? a conflict in a given text would mean that one person's account may not exactly reflect another but in the end the accounts agree on it's main topic. a contradiction pit's one person's account against the other. they say oppsite things. This thread is about contradictions (As per the title) not just conflicts of text.

Oh. So the divinely inspired authors don't agree with each other on events relating to the divine, and that doesn't bother you in the slightest.

So to you and yours 'ultimate truth' falls in how many women went into the sepulcher? or what specific time of day Christ died?

Nice dodge, but the bullet didn't miss you: you admitted there are contradictions in the scripture you apparently (since you didn't bother to) can't be explained by the usual 'that's metaphorical'

Let me ask you this.. What if I told you my wife and I went into the future just to Saturday at 11:30pm and got the winning lottery numbers, and they were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Then she backed up everything I said, but she added it was actually 11:38 on Saturday night, and we also took my dog... Does her specific recollection change the 'ultimate truth' of the winning lottery numbers we provide?

Now ask yourself. Does the specific recolections of the two specific areas where the gospels conflict, change the ultimate truth of the ultimate ends to the plan of salvation? no. Not at all.

Irrelevant. You are not god and do not claim to be all-powerful and all-knowing. Answer me, Dripsy: is your god capable of writing a book that would not contain contradictions?

what figures and what lists? the genealogies? because for the OT Jew it was away to verify the prophesy of the coming messiah.

Yes, that and all the other absolutely pointless figures, like the unnecessarily detailed description of the ark for example

Or maybe you were reading deuteronomy (the book of the law)

Which DOES happen to be in the bible, doesn't it now?

Maybe because you saw a documentary on the history channel that told you that.

Overinterpretation on your part....I was hinting at the fact that the gospels are not eyewitness accounts, not implying no one similar to the biblical Christ existed. And I don't watch the History Channel.

Maybe because the bible is not about moral absolutes...

It isn't? Ah, those pesky catholics implying the existence of objective morality must've been reading something else then....


It's really very nice of you to be so self-incriminating, Dripsy, saves me a lot of trouble.

The point that I'm asking you to address is this: if god is perfect, why is the bible so imperfect?

[Pyrrho]

... So to you and yours 'ultimate truth' falls in how many women went into the sepulcher? or what specific time of day Christ died?

Let me ask you this.. What if I told you my wife and I went into the future just to Saturday at 11:30pm and got the winning lottery numbers, and they were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Then she backed up everything I said, but she added it was actually 11:38 on Saturday night, and we also took my dog... Does her specific recollection change the 'ultimate truth' of the winning lottery numbers we provide?

Now ask yourself. Does the specific recolections of the two specific areas where the gospels conflict, change the ultimate truth of the ultimate ends to the plan of salvation? no. Not at all.
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The thing is, that proves that there are errors in it and it therefore cannot be completely trusted.  It is just another book written by men, and they got things wrong.  We then have no reason to believe that anything in it is right, unless it is independently verified.  Which pretty well destroys the Christian religion, for every thinking person.

There are other ancient books, also written by men, and you have no reason to pick this book (or, more properly, set of books) as being anything special.  You have just told us that it is not made by God and infallible, but is just another book that contains falsehoods.  If God had actually guided the authors, they would not get things wrong, unless God himself is a liar and wanted it that way.


There are also contradictions that are clearly not trivial, nor do they depend on the particular translation, as the stories themselves are incompatible.  For example:

In Luke 1:26-35, we have:

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


But in Luke 2:41-50:

41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.

45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.


Now, how is it that they did not understand what Jesus was saying there? There is no way you are is going to forget an angel visiting you and telling you that your virgin fiancée has been impregnated by God, so you should go ahead and marry her anyway. So if this later story is true, the earlier one about the virgin birth is false. The story is not consistent with itself.


So we have reason to doubt everything, as it is just a mess rather than a coherent story.  And that is even keeping with the same book of the Bible, and not bothering with inconsistencies from one book to the next.  It is a huge pile of crap, that no thinking person can take seriously.

It greatly resembles other writings of primitive, ignorant, superstitious people, and is of no value as a guide to life, or as a guide to anything even important historically.  The virgin birth, miracle cures, it is all the same sort of BS nonsense one finds in other ancient texts, written by other primitive, ignorant, superstitious people than the primitive, ignorant, superstitious people who wrote the Bible.

Even you know that it contains falsehood, and yet you pretend that it is somehow a guide to life.  But it cannot be a reliable guide when it gets things wrong.

[Drich]

So to you and yours 'ultimate truth' falls in how many women went into the sepulcher? or what specific time of day Christ died?

Let me ask you this.. What if I told you my wife and I went into the future just to Saturday at 11:30pm and got the winning lottery numbers, and they were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Then she backed up everything I said, but she added it was actually 11:38 on Saturday night, and we also took my dog... Does her specific recollection change the 'ultimate truth' of the winning lottery numbers we provide?

Now ask yourself. Does the specific recolections of the two specific areas where the gospels conflict, change the ultimate truth of the ultimate ends to the plan of salvation? no. Not at all.

THE ROPE A DOPE CONTINUES..........

Its GODS breathed/inspired WORD..........until someone points out descrepencies.......then


AWWWWWW shucks......just people being people and scribbling shit down.....

Actually the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit according to the bible.

Now all you need do is Define what it means to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. Then take that definition and see if it lines up with what you seem to think it to mean.

Or bottom line does inspiration of the Holy Spirit in an indivisual mean one is perfect as God is perfect in everything that person says and does?

Without a doubt Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit. So the question then becomes does Paul ever make a mistake in anything he has said or done in or for the church while being Spirit Inspired? If he admits to being in error then Spirit Inspiration does not mean one then becomes perfect as God is Perfect. It simply means one is lead by God. Just as we can lead a horse to water we can not make him drink it. Maybe that is why the bible itself never claims to be without error.

[Drich]

. . . and marketing.  

The sad thing is that Drich doesn't even realize how self-defeating his own posts are.  He just spews his word salads and declares victory, braying like an ass.  It used to amuse me; now I'm just bored with it.

Or, maybe Drich is teach in the style of OT Rabbi's/Jesus in that he give foolish people enough slack to hang themselves with something they think they know, then once the obvious has been accounted for 'He/They' points out something the fool does do not know or understand.

[Minimalist]

Nah.  You're just an asshole, drippy.  You couldn't convince a cow to give milk if its udder was bursting.