I don't care about bible contradictions.

[Longhorn]

Let's go for the obvious answer: "The bible is not God."

The bible is a set of instructions, not a text book. It's truths are found in following said instructions, and producing what has been promised. not in philosophical debate on whether the instructions are viable or not. In this God uses the bible and it's perceived 'imperfections' to filter out those who can follow simple instruction given by him and those who can not.

Again that what this life is all about the separation of those who want to be with God and those who do not. Our lives are filled with tools like this to help that process out. So that when we face our final judgement we will know in our hearts that our judgement is right and just

How do you know that?

[Drich]

Actually the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit according to the bible.

Now all you need do is Define what it means to be inspired by the Holy Spirit. Then take that definition and see if it lines up with what you seem to think it to mean.

Or bottom line does inspiration of the Holy Spirit in an indivisual mean one is perfect as God is perfect in everything that person says and does?

Without a doubt Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit. So the question then becomes does Paul ever make a mistake in anything he has said or done in or for the church while being Spirit Inspired? If he admits to being in error then Spirit Inspiration does not mean one then becomes perfect as God is Perfect. It simply means one is lead by God. Just as we can lead a horse to water we can not make him drink it. Maybe that is why the bible itself never claims to be without error.

Thanks for admitting ........you..........like every other christian??.........don't have a clue.......and are just winging it

what makes you think I am winging anything? Because I did not give you the answer you thought I should give? Have you considered the fact that I am right and the bible does not claim to be perfect? That maybe doctrine of biblical infalliblity was born out of the reformation movement 5 hundred years ago to undercut papal authority on the church?

The bible never claims to be infalliable, it simply claims to be the true word of God. again the bible is not a text book, it is a set of instructions on how to find God. it's 'truth' is verified in following the turn by turn instructions and finding God as promised. Not in debate.

[Salacious B. Crumb]

Have you considered the fact that I am right and the bible does not claim to be perfect?

For about a second, and then, practically all atheists tear apart the bible limb from limb with such ease on this website.

I guess I'm supposed to post it again for you: Pro 30:5-6 5 Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

B bb buu bbuuttt, that part is not meant to be taken literally, because it doesn't agree with what I'm saying in this case. The bible is wrong and I'm right, I follow the bible, but in this case naaaaahhhh. Can't you see that all you ever do is dodge everyone's questions regarding the bible? Can't you just be honest about the bible already? You say that it never says that it is perfect, and in this verse, it does say that. So, are you going to lie again, or just make another horrible fucking excuse?

[Drich]

Have you considered the fact that I am right and the bible does not claim to be perfect?

For about a second, and then, practically all atheists tear apart the bible limb from limb with such ease on this website.

I guess I'm supposed to post it again for you: Pro 30:5-6 5 Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

B bb buu bbuuttt, that part is not meant to be taken literally, because it doesn't agree with what I'm saying in this case. The bible is wrong and I'm right, I follow the bible, but in this case naaaaahhhh. Can't you see that all you ever do is dodge everyone's questions regarding the bible? Can't you just be honest about the bible already? You say that it never says that it is perfect, and in this verse, it does say that. So, are you going to lie again, or just make another horrible fucking excuse?

[Drich]

lets try this again...

Have you considered the fact that I am right and the bible does not claim to be perfect?

For about a second, and then, practically all atheists tear apart the bible limb from limb with such ease on this website.

I guess I'm supposed to post it again for you: Pro 30:5-6 5 Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

B bb buu bbuuttt, that part is not meant to be taken literally, because it doesn't agree with what I'm saying in this case. The bible is wrong and I'm right, I follow the bible, but in this case naaaaahhhh. Can't you see that all you ever do is dodge everyone's questions regarding the bible? Can't you just be honest about the bible already? You say that it never says that it is perfect, and in this verse, it does say that. So, are you going to lie again, or just make another horrible fucking excuse?

Here maybe you should try a different version, maybe then you'll have a better understanding of what the passage is actually trying too say:
ERV:
5 You can trust this: Every word that God speaks is true. God is a safe place for those who go to him. 6 So don’t try to change what God says. If you do, he will punish you and prove that you are a liar.

ESV

5
Every word of God proves true;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

6
Do not add to his words,
lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

The writer here is communication the literal words of God are what are being proved to be true, and warns against changing them.

Again, the NT is Spirit inspired, and ultimately the words of a man. Or if you prefer: 'God's words filtered through a man's understanding.'

[TubbyTubby]

Again, the NT is Spirit inspired, and ultimately the words of a man. Or if you prefer: 'God's words filtered through a man's understanding.'

Of course, a perfect explanation.

You'd have thought a perfect god could have simply dropped off a copy of his autobiography to Earth, proof read by angels so there were no lost in translation fuck ups by multiple contributors? He didn't even see fit to dictate to a single writer - at least the mis-interpretations would have been consistent and have less chance of repeating himself. Poor effort.

[Drich]

Again, the NT is Spirit inspired, and ultimately the words of a man. Or if you prefer: 'God's words filtered through a man's understanding.'

Of course, a perfect explanation.

You'd have thought a perfect god could have simply dropped off a copy of his autobiography to Earth, proof read by angels so there were no lost in translation fuck ups by multiple contributors? He didn't even see fit to dictate to a single writer - at least the mis-interpretations would have been consistent and have less chance of repeating himself. Poor effort.

That point has already been made several times, and has been answered with:

What if God did not want a perfect book for us to have? What if he wanted us to have truth instead of perfection? That way those who have a hard time distingushing the worship of trinkets, prophets and traditions, and the worship of God. do not confuse a work of God with the worship of God. In other words God does not want the bible itself to become a false idol. 'We' Christians tend to enshrine holy relics and worship them, as the share a common link with God. Could you imagine the fanatical devotion placed on an item that proved to be written by God's own hand as it was absolutely perfect?

Not to throw another religion under the bus, but there is one I can think of that worships its holy books and prophets, with fanatical results. Some in this religion are moved to murder when a non believer disparages their 'holy relics/works.'

Again, because God does not want the bible itself to become a point of worship, He filtered his truth through man. that way we still have a viable path to God for all those who truly seek it, and those who want to hide from God are given the doubt they need to feel justified in their choice. Otherwise, if the bible was absolutely perfect and all of it's claims vetted, then the non-believer would not have the choice of belief that you do now.

[Drich]

Besides, if God gave us absolute perfection in His written word.. How many generations would have been lost to His level of understanding of how the universe works, before we could even begin to verify what had been written? To me it makes much more sense to 'filter' His truth through the prophets of that day, because a much broader range of people can be reached.

[TubbyTubby]

Of course, god wanted his words mis-interpreted so much that what was originally intended to perfectly describe the Universe actually comes out as childish gibberish through the 'holy spirit' so as not to confuse and turn people off his book. Genius.

Makes so much more sense now that you've explained it like that.

So whilst he was uttering majestic words to describe his major projects like super clusters, galaxies, black holes, neutron stars, star formation, nuclear fusion and the like, the holy spirit simplified things for us by translating it all to " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ". Clever stuff.

[CapnAwesome]

Besides, if God gave us absolute perfection in His written word.. How many generations would have been lost to His level of understanding of how the universe works, before we could even begin to verify what had been written? To me it makes much more sense to 'filter' His truth through the prophets of that day, because a much broader range of people can be reached.

What would make even more sense would be to have some stuff for the people of the time and at least a few bits describing complicated modern ideas, so we don't look at the book and go 'well it all looks like a bunch of bullshit.'

Of course the bible fits much better if we assume rather than being divinely inspired it was written by primitive people doing their best to understand the world around them.