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You have the ability to view events in the past, but not visit them. Dr. Heisenberg notwithstanding, viewing these events doesn't change them, doesn't alter the time stream in any way whatsoever. That in mind, how would you use your Chronoscope? What events would you like to watch in real time?
-The funeral of Genghis Khan.
-The sacking of Pete Best from the Beatles.
-The assassination of Michael Collins.
-Whatever it was that happened to the crew of the Mary Celeste.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Quote:International Association of Time Travelers: Members’ Forum
Subforum: Europe – Twentieth Century – Second World War
Page 263
11/15/2104
At 14:52:28, FreedomFighter69 wrote:
Reporting my first temporal excursion since joining IATT: have just returned from 1936 Berlin, having taken the place of one of Leni Riefenstahl’s cameramen and assassinated Adolf Hitler during the opening of the Olympic Games. Let a free world rejoice!
At 14:57:44, SilverFox316 wrote:
Back from 1936 Berlin; incapacitated FreedomFighter69 before he could pull his little stunt. Freedomfighter69, as you are a new member, please read IATT Bulletin 1147 regarding the killing of Hitler before your next excursion. Failure to do so may result in your expulsion per Bylaw 223.
At 18:06:59, BigChill wrote:
Take it easy on the kid, SilverFox316; everybody kills Hitler on their first trip. I did. It always gets fixed within a few minutes, what’s the harm?
At 18:33:10, SilverFox316 wrote:
Easy for you to say, BigChill, since to my recollection you’ve never volunteered to go back and fix it. You think I’ve got nothing better to do?
11/16/2104
At 10:15:44, JudgeDoom wrote:
Good news! I just left a French battlefield in October 1916, where I shot dead a young Bavarian Army messenger named Adolf Hitler! Not bad for my first time, no? Sic semper tyrannis!
At 10:22:53, SilverFox316 wrote:
Back from 1916 France I come, having at the last possible second prevented Hitler’s early demise at the hands of JudgeDoom and, incredibly, restrained myself from shooting JudgeDoom and sparing us all years of correcting his misguided antics. READ BULLETIN 1147, PEOPLE!
At 15:41:18, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: issues related to Hitler’s service in the Bavarian Army ought to go in the World War I forum.
11/21/2104
At 02:21:30, SneakyPete wrote:
Vienna, 1907: after numerous attempts, have infiltrated the Academy of Fine Arts and facilitated Adolf Hitler’s admission to that institution. Goodbye, Hitler the dictator; hello, Hitler the modestly successful landscape artist! Brought back a few of his paintings as well, any buyers?
At 02:29:17, SilverFox316 wrote:
All right; that’s it. Having just returned from 1907 Vienna where I secured the expulsion of Hitler from the Academy by means of an elaborate prank involving the Prefect, a goat, and a substantial quantity of olive oil, I now turn my attention to our newer brethren, who, despite rules to the contrary, seem to have no intention of reading Bulletin 1147 (nor its Addendum, Alternate Means of Subverting the Hitlerian Destiny, and here I’m looking at you, SneakyPete). Permit me to sum it up and save you the trouble: no Hitler means no Third Reich, no World War II, no rocketry programs, no electronics, no computers, no time travel. Get the picture?
At 02:29:49, SilverFox316 wrote:
PS to SneakyPete: your Hitler paintings aren’t worth anything, schmuck, since you probably brought them directly here from 1907, which means the paint’s still fresh. Freaking n00b.
At 07:55:03, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Amen, SilverFox316. Although, point of order, issues relating to early 1900s Vienna should really go in that forum, not here. This has been a recurring problem on this forum.
11/26/2104
At 18:26:18, Jason440953 wrote:
SilverFox316, you seem to know a lot about the rules; what are your thoughts on traveling to, say, Braunau, Austria, in 1875 and killing Alois Hitler before he has a chance to father Adolf? Mind you, I’m asking out of curiosity alone, since I already went and did it.
At 18:42:55, SilverFox316 wrote:
Jason440953, see Bylaw 7, which states that all IATT rulings regarding historical persons apply to ancestors as well. I post this for the benefit of others, as I already made this clear to young Jason in person as I was dragging him back from 1875 by his hair. Got that? No ancestors. (Though if anyone were to go back to, say, Moline, Illinois, in, say, 2080 or so, and intercede to prevent Jason440953’s conception, I could be persuaded to look the other way.)
At 21:19:17, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: discussions of nineteenth–century Austria and twenty–first–century Illinois should be confined to their respective forums.
12/01/2104
At 15:56:41, AsianAvenger wrote:
FreedomFighter69, JudgeDoom, SneakyPete, Jason440953, you’re nothing but a pack of racists. Let the light of righteousness shine upon your squalid little viper’s nest!
At 16:40:17, BigTom44 wrote:
Well, here we frickin’ go.
At 16:58:42, FreedomFighter69 wrote:
Racist? For killing Hitler? WTF?
At 17:12:52, SaucyAussie wrote:
AsianAvenger, you’re not rehashing that whole Nagasaki issue again, are you? We just got everyone calmed down from last time.
At 17:22:37, LadyJustice wrote:
I’m with SaucyAussie. AsianAvenger, you’re making even less sense than usual. What gives?
At 18:56:09, AsianAvenger wrote:
What gives is everyone’s repeated insistence on a course of action which, even if successful, would only save a few million Europeans. It would be no more trouble to travel to Fuyuanshui, China, in 1814 and kill Hong Xiuquan, thus preventing the Taiping Rebellion of the mid–nineteenth century and saving fifty million lives in the process. But, hey, what are fifty million yellow devils more or less, right, guys? We’ve got Poles and Frenchmen to worry about.
At 19:01:38, LadyJustice wrote:
Well, what’s stopping you from killing him, AsianAvenger?
At 19:11:43, AsianAvenger wrote:
Only to have SilverFox316 undo my work? What’s the point?
At 19:59:23, SilverFox316 wrote:
Actually, it seems like a pretty good idea to me, AsianAvenger. No complications that I can see.
At 20:07:25, Big Chill wrote:
Go for it, man.
At 20:11:31, AsianAvenger wrote:
Very well. I shall return in mere moments, the savior of millions!
At 20:14:17, LadyJustice wrote:
Just checked the timeline; congrats on your success, AsianAvenger!
12/02/2104
At 10:52:53, LadyJustice wrote:
AsianAvenger?
At 11:41:40, SilverFox316 wrote:
AsianAvenger, we need your report, buddy.
At 17:15:32, SilverFox316 wrote:
Okay, apparently AsianAvenger was descended from Hong Xiuquan. Any volunteers to go back and stop him from negating his own existence?
12/10/2104
At 09:14:44, SilverFox316 wrote:
Anyone?
At 09:47:13, BarracksRoomLawyer wrote:
Point of order: this discussion belongs in the Qing Dynasty forum. We’re adults; can we keep sight of what’s important around here?
June 30, 2015 at 6:32 am (This post was last modified: June 30, 2015 at 6:33 am by Alex K.)
(June 29, 2015 at 8:06 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(June 28, 2015 at 9:03 am)IATIA Wrote: Pretty much right on. If time travel were possible then we would be nothing more than shadows of the past with no true existence or free will of any sort.
Is anyone else bothered by time travel movies and books in which someone first stops their parents from meeting or marrying or some such and then gets them back together so all is well? The problem being that the particular child they had was the result of a particular egg meeting a particular sperm and just calling them up on the phone in the middle of sex would change that. And on that theory just walking into the past and saying hi to anyone would change a whole line of progeny.
No, not at all - if the reality which the time traveller produces by going back is the one that was already in his past before he went, i.e. if history is self-consistent and the same before and after the time travel episode, then I have no problem. I have this problem very much if someone changed their own past, yes. Of course, him fading on the familiy foto is just a silly plot device that makes no sense whatsoever.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Well I don't know about killing, but I want to go back and give Pascal a hefty slap.
I also want to kick Ken Ham in the bollocks, but that's nothing to do with this thread.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(June 29, 2015 at 8:06 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Is anyone else bothered by time travel movies and books in which someone first stops their parents from meeting or marrying or some such and then gets them back together so all is well? The problem being that the particular child they had was the result of a particular egg meeting a particular sperm and just calling them up on the phone in the middle of sex would change that. And on that theory just walking into the past and saying hi to anyone would change a whole line of progeny.
No, not at all - if the reality which the time traveller produces by going back is the one that was already in his past before he went, i.e. if history is self-consistent and the same before and after the time travel episode, then I have no problem. I have this problem very much if someone changed their own past, yes. Of course, him fading on the familiy foto is just a silly plot device that makes no sense whatsoever.
Ah but that fading photograph IS the plot in a nutshell. The plots almost invariably operate on the assumption that history can be changed. Though even if history can be changed the fading photo would be silly. Our hero would disappear in a puff of changed events and never get to put things right.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
(June 30, 2015 at 9:53 am)robvalue Wrote: I'd go back to try and kill Jesus, and in terminator style I'd have to kill thousands of Yeshuas just to be sure.
Fuck it, I'll kill everyone in the area. Nip it in the bud.
Welcome to the new future where the cult of Osiris reigns supreme, or something else.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
June 30, 2015 at 3:01 pm (This post was last modified: June 30, 2015 at 3:01 pm by pocaracas.)
(June 30, 2015 at 9:53 am)robvalue Wrote: I'd go back to try and kill Jesus, and in terminator style I'd have to kill thousands of Yeshuas just to be sure.
Fuck it, I'll kill everyone in the area. Nip it in the bud.
(June 30, 2015 at 4:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Slightly different question.
You have the ability to view events in the past, but not visit them. Dr. Heisenberg notwithstanding, viewing these events doesn't change them, doesn't alter the time stream in any way whatsoever. That in mind, how would you use your Chronoscope? What events would you like to watch in real time?
-The funeral of Genghis Khan.
-The sacking of Pete Best from the Beatles.
-The assassination of Michael Collins.
-Whatever it was that happened to the crew of the Mary Celeste.
Boru
Snippets from the actual life of Jesus and Muhammad assuming they existed.
I'd like to see what Jack the ripper looked like.
I'd pretty much like to see what bog standard life was like in medieval England, ancient Egypt, Rome, Greece, Mongolia including the gruesome bloody parts like the executions, orgies, poverty.
I'm done with this question yet, I need to set off to work, but this is a good one.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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