Hostage to fear

[Randy Carson]

...Aaand Dr. Richard Carrier blasts the mainstream pro-historicity claims all over the internet and in various books he's written, Mr. Appeals-To-Authority-When-It-Suits-Him. What's your fucking point?

By the way, do you ever take Tim's balls off your chin long enough to realize that he doesn't believe that your fictional, inbred, back-woods zealot had magic powers? Regardless of how you slice it, there is no evidential reason whatsoever to believe the claims in the gospels alone, much less the rest of the Holly Bible. You have no proof of your claims, Randy. Jesus has no proof of his claims. None.

A reputable, ATHEIST NT scholar like Bart Ehrman says Jesus existed. What about you?

Did Jesus exist, Pinkie?

Yes or no?

[Nope]

...Aaand Dr. Richard Carrier blasts the mainstream pro-historicity claims all over the internet and in various books he's written, Mr. Appeals-To-Authority-When-It-Suits-Him. What's your fucking point?

By the way, do you ever take Tim's balls off your chin long enough to realize that he doesn't believe that your fictional, inbred, back-woods zealot had magic powers? Regardless of how you slice it, there is no evidential reason whatsoever to believe the claims in the gospels alone, much less the rest of the Holly Bible. You have no proof of your claims, Randy. Jesus has no proof of his claims. None.

A reputable, ATHEIST NT scholar like Bart Ehrman says Jesus existed. What about you?

Did Jesus exist, Pinkie?

Yes or no?

You asked Pinkie but I hope it is okay if I answer. The Jesus as described in the bible did not exist. That does not mean that his myth wasn't loosely based on a the life of a real person or persons. A group of preachers like him might have actually existed or they might not have existed. At the present time, there is no way to know. It doesn't change the fact that there is no god and no son of god

[Nope]

Ah...so it is your position that God should never have allowed a single child to die from hunger, is that correct? Should he miraculously provide food for every child, and if so, how would He do that exactly?

Your god is omnipotent so why not?

What about the elderly? Should God ensure that no elderly person ever dies alone or in need of an expensive medical procedure? Or is God a murderer because He created plaque that builds up in our arteries and causes heart disease?

Or what about motorcycle accidents on wet pavement? Is God a murderer because, after all, He KNEW that the cyclist would be along in an hour or so...and yet, He allowed it to rain making the asphalt slick right on that curve with the heavy guardrail?

A young mother of three is driving home with a van full of kids and swerves to avoid hitting a dog...she loses control of her vehicle and crashes into a tree and dies of massive head trauma. But God knew this 40 years ago when he allowed the seed of that tree to take root and grow in what would turn out to be a very bad spot for her. Is God a murderer?

Where, exactly, do you draw the line between what God is and is not responsible for?

Yes, the mythological god is a murderer. Luckily, he doesn't exist. Hooray!
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[Nope]

Would you agree that it's a good thing that you have freedom to make moral choices regarding abortion or premarital sex, etc.?

Before I answer,  I need to know what you mean by the phrase "moral choices' and what morality is involved in abortion or premarital sex

[Spacetime]

I understand, but is that a yes?

It's neither... I answered you question. Your question isn't a yes or no question.

[Randy Carson]

I understand, but is that a yes?

It's neither... I answered you question.  Your question isn't a yes or no question.

I read your answer.

Is it a good thing that you have the freedom to make moral choices about abortion and premarital sex? Alternatively, in light of how you answered question #1, would you consider it a bad thing if you were NOT free to make such choices?

[Spacetime]

It's neither... I answered you question.  Your question isn't a yes or no question.

I read your answer.

Is it a good thing that you have the freedom to make moral choices about abortion and premarital sex? Alternatively, in light of how you answered question #1, would you consider it a bad thing if you were NOT free to make such choices?

If you're demanding that your subjective questions end in objective answers;

1. Yes, it is a good thing.
2 (alternative). Yes, it would be bad.

Again, if these conditions exist, they depend wholly on humanistic systems and the people (no deity required) that make them possible. Both answers neither require your god as the source of our morality or justify why such morality exists.

Randy, if you are going to read the next line in your script from the presuppositional argument, please read it here. Do not save it for the innocent children that bare your genetic signature, despite being disadvantage by the poison you have (no doubt) instilled in your off-spring, who deserve much, much better.

[Spacetime]

A reputable, ATHEIST NT scholar like Bart Ehrman says Jesus existed. What about you?

Did Jesus exist, Pinkie?

Yes or no?

Please reserve your childish name-calling for the playground. His name isn't "pinkie" or "pinky". Find a more respectable address.

[Randy Carson]

I read your answer.

Is it a good thing that you have the freedom to make moral choices about abortion and premarital sex? Alternatively, in light of how you answered question #1, would you consider it a bad thing if you were NOT free to make such choices?

If you're demanding that your subjective questions end in objective answers;
Question #3:

If it's a good thing to have moral choices, would you agree that requires not only that we have complete freedom but also the possibility of choosing either good or evil? In other words, wouldn’t our freedom be severely restricted if we could only choose good?

1. Yes, it is a good thing.  
2 (alternative). Yes, it would be bad.

Again, if these conditions exist, they depend wholly on humanistic systems and the people (no deity required) that make them possible.  Both answers neither require your god as the source of our morality or justify why such morality exists.

Randy, if you are going to read the next line in your script from the presuppositional argument, please read it here.  Do not save it for the innocent children that bare your genetic signature, despite being disadvantage by the poison you have (no doubt) instilled in your off-spring, who deserve much, much better.

Okay. Again, these are not trick questions...and we're almost home.

Question #3:

If it's a good thing to have moral choices, would you agree that requires not only that we have complete freedom but also the possibility of choosing either good or evil? In other words, wouldn’t our freedom be severely restricted if we could only choose good?

[Randy Carson]

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