9 Dead in SC church shooting

[Secular Elf]

This is an interesting question for the republicunts who run SC.

What y'all gon do #SenatorGraham #SenatorScott? Fly this rag at 1/2 mast 4 #Charleston shooting victims?

https://twitter.com/lifeandmorelife/stat...7387133952

A CNN reporter wrote an excellent article about that flag: Confederate Flag, Your Time Is Up http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/opinions/c...rate-flag/

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Pretty well, it keeps us just familiar enough for the total war mobilization that some shithead is probably dreaming about right now as he lillyfoots his way up the political ladder.  Jim Bobs been shooting since he was 3....and Jim Bob is going to be busting down some doors, someday...rest of the world.  Remember, this is what we're willing to do -to each other-, don't expect mercy when the bell tolls for thee.  

Exactly. The shitheads that are lillyfooting their way up the political ladder are Dominionists such as Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, etc., Dominionists IN THE MILITARY, what I have been warning everyone about. Their wet dream is a theocratic America. It is a mistake, a GREAT MISTAKE, to underestimate them. Remember, the Germans underestimated the Nazi Party, and they paid a high price for it. The least the secular community should do is prepare ourselves to fight them, just in case. We should take the Dominionist threat more seriously.

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Another aspect of this story is how we Seculars are being criticized for our response.  Here is the link: How "Secular Humanists" Responded to Charleston Church Shooting  http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/06/18/how-s...-shooting/

That was the very first thing I wanted to look at after watching the news this morning.  My question was "I know we would criticize the prayer response, but I want to know how we should offer support for the people who are hurting from this."  You know, show our humanity towards those who lost their loved ones.  I am not saying we should not criticize the prayer response, I criticize it.  How would each one of us offer our support to them.  

I for one, would like to offer some kind of support in a fund to help offset their funeral expenses.  The hands that help are better far than lips that pray, as Ingersoll said.

An organization I am proud to have founded, the Freethought Society of the Midlands, has started a fund for the families of survivors that has raised over $3000. I know the Secular Humanists of the Low Country based in Charleston and other humanist groups in the state are also involved.
http://www.fsmidlands.org/

Great, thanks Mr. Agenda. I will spread the news about that.

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I live in Lexington County, too. It's closer to 30% for the state, Lexington has a lower than average black population for SC. That's probably why it seems higher when you're out and about.

Possibly we already know each other if you belong to the Freethought Society of the Midlands. There's a rally tomorrow at 6 PM at the State House to call for the Confederate Battle Flag to be removed from the State House lawn. Maybe you can swing by. I know it's only symbolic, but symbols aren't nothin'.

I wish I could join you but there is no way that I can make it down there this weekend. You might like this article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ow/396290/

Excellent article! I am so sharing this.

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Not so well, the rest of the world.

It is working out fine.  We still have plenty of people left to kill.  Gun nuts don't care how many people die, they love their guns no matter what.  You should take a look at Minimalist's thread on this issue:

All Hail the Second Amendment

This sort of thing has been going on for a very long time, and it changes nothing in the minds of gun nuts.  Now, if only black people in America would all arm themselves and start carrying guns with them everywhere they went, then maybe some of the gun nuts would change their minds about guns.

Interesting. I am wondering if these two incidents are connected. Simply a copycat? I wonder.
Edited to add:

This may be the start of a new round of similar crimes:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/white-ma...urchgoers/

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It is working out fine.  We still have plenty of people left to kill.  Gun nuts don't care how many people die, they love their guns no matter what.  You should take a look at Minimalist's thread on this issue:

All Hail the Second Amendment

This sort of thing has been going on for a very long time, and it changes nothing in the minds of gun nuts.  Now, if only black people in America would all arm themselves and start carrying guns with them everywhere they went, then maybe some of the gun nuts would change their minds about guns.

Oh, you know it!  If our black population (and let's toss in the Latin Americans for good measure) armed themselves to the degree that whites do, white politicians would be stumbling over each other to offer a solution to the 'problem' (though I'd bet that the rhetoric would be even more hysterical -- something along the lines of 'epidemic' or 'crisis').

It is never a good idea to allow your enemies to have more weapons than you do, or to allow yourselves to be outnumbered. Or to be unprepared to face a situation where you cannot effectively protect yourself, or your people. Has not history shown us thus?

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Believe it or not, that was exactly the point one (black) guest made on Fox this morning. The pastor should have been armed, he said.

That is very easy to believe, as it is a standard thing for gun nuts to say.  But for my idea to be tested, black people need to be armed and openly carry them everywhere they go.  Seeing black men always with a gun would have an impact on how guns were perceived by many who advocate for the right to bear arms.  If they have them at home, or hidden when out and about, then it will not have the visual impact necessary for what I am suggesting.

Of course, not all places allow for openly carrying guns, but in the places that do, it would very likely affect public attitudes toward guns.


The police seem to react differently to a white man carrying a gun and a black man carrying a gun:

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/ho...pen-carry/

The video is interesting to watch:





My guess is, a different reaction to black people carrying guns is not unique to police.

The video was very fascinating to watch. What more proof can one need that police responses to two men of different races carrying the same type gun in public are so different?! We need to have a very serious discussion about race in this country, but not only that, pragmatically change attitudes and responses to make things better.

[Foxaèr]

I am only disappointed that the number was not more than nine.

For those wondering I made the above statement, it is logically simple really.

For the same reason that the forces of nature, including diseases, cull our overpopulated earth, an act I view more as good than bad, the same can be stated for those people who murder.  They are being driven by their nature to kill, and I merely view it as a natural means of further lowering the population of the earth.

[abaris]

For those wondering I made the above statement, it is logically simple really.

For the same reason that the forces of nature, including diseases, cull our overpopulated earth, an act I view more as good than bad, the same can be stated for those people who murder.  They are being driven by their nature to kill, and I merely view it as a natural means of further lowering the population of the earth.

You're only digging yourself an even bigger hole. And that's putting it mildly. Very mildly.

[Longhorn]

Are you doing it for attention, or do you really lack empathy?

Either way, that's, well, extremely morbid. And very inappropriate. I thought higher of you, Kitan.

[Cato]

Are you doing it for attention, or do you really lack empathy?

Keep in mind that less than two months have passed since Kitan threw a temper tantrum with one of those nauseating 'pity me I'm leaving the site threads'.

[Rhondazvous]

Seriously, just shut your cockhole. 

Thank you for the kind words, but I will continue to speak my mind.  

Please do. that way we know what's rattling around in there. Hatred against theists is no less hideous than hatred against Blacks. You only give undue credence to Fox News' efforts to turn this into a case of Christian persecution.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I am only disappointed that the number was not more than nine.

For those wondering I made the above statement, it is logically simple really.

For the same reason that the forces of nature, including diseases, cull our overpopulated earth, an act I view more as good than bad, the same can be stated for those people who murder.  They are being driven by their nature to kill, and I merely view it as a natural means of further lowering the population of the earth.

HorseSHIT.  Great, steaming, stinking piles of equine poo.  As far as I know, you've never once expressed a similar statement on the effect of disease, famine or natural disaster.  You can backpedal until your ankles break if it pleases you, but your original comment was clearly, CLEARLY that you wished more Christians had been killed.

Atheists have a rough enough row to hoe without dimwitted comments like yours.  If you support the murder of innocent people whose only offence is that they think differently from you, you can can't really object to the murder of atheists for being atheists.

The people gunned down in that church were people with jobs, people with kids, people with parents and friends.  Other than that, you know fuck all about them, certainly not enough to wish more of them were dead.

And if you're as balls-out eager as you claim to see the world population reduced, why haven't YOU taken a gun into a church or a school or a hospital?  I'll tell you why:  because you're a flaming great hypocrite who hasn't got the stones to admit you made a stupid, thoughtless comment and apologize for it.

I sincerely hope you get an incurable genital rash.

Boru

[Foxaèr]

 You only give undue credence to Fox News' efforts to turn this into a case of Christian persecution.

Do not be so fallacious.  I am not.

[Foxaèr]

Brian Sodding: As far as I know, you've never once expressed a similar statement on the effect of disease, famine or natural disaster.

Just because I have been quiet in regards to other situations does not mean I am being dishonest now.  I am simply tired of not responding honestly to some things now.  Rather than ignore it by not responding, I will respond as I see fit.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I will respond as I see fit.

Please do.  Callous lunacy should be on display for all to see.
Boru