(June 18, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Kitan Wrote: I am only disappointed that the number was not more than nine.

And that's an incredibly disappointing thing for you to say. Shame on you.

I was clarifying, not picking on anyone - I don't think this is an anti-christian crime.

(June 18, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Kitan Wrote: I am only disappointed that the number was not more than nine.

Uhm... Out of morbid curiosity - what would have been a satisfying body-count? 10? 12? 25?
Just to clarify - this is real world we're talking about, not "Robo-cop" universe.

(June 19, 2015 at 3:37 am)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(June 19, 2015 at 3:17 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How's that love affair with guns working out, America?


Boru

Not so well, the rest of the world.

It is working out fine.  We still have plenty of people left to kill.  Gun nuts don't care how many people die, they love their guns no matter what.  You should take a look at Minimalist's thread on this issue:

All Hail the Second Amendment

This sort of thing has been going on for a very long time, and it changes nothing in the minds of gun nuts.  Now, if only black people in America would all arm themselves and start carrying guns with them everywhere they went, then maybe some of the gun nuts would change their minds about guns.


Edited to add:

This may be the start of a new round of similar crimes:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/white-ma...urchgoers/

(June 19, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:

(June 19, 2015 at 3:37 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Not so well, the rest of the world.

It is working out fine.  We still have plenty of people left to kill.  Gun nuts don't care how many people die, they love their guns no matter what.  You should take a look at Minimalist's thread on this issue:

All Hail the Second Amendment

This sort of thing has been going on for a very long time, and it changes nothing in the minds of gun nuts.  Now, if only black people in America would all arm themselves and start carrying guns with them everywhere they went, then maybe some of the gun nuts would change their minds about guns.

Oh, you know it!  If our black population (and let's toss in the Latin Americans for good measure) armed themselves to the degree that whites do, white politicians would be stumbling over each other to offer a solution to the 'problem' (though I'd bet that the rhetoric would be even more hysterical -- something along the lines of 'epidemic' or 'crisis').

(June 19, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Oh, you know it!  If our black population (and let's toss in the Latin Americans for good measure) armed themselves to the degree that whites do, white politicians would be stumbling over each other to offer a solution to the 'problem' (though I'd bet that the rhetoric would be even more hysterical -- something along the lines of 'epidemic' or 'crisis').

Errr In my experience black homes have more guns than white judging from my circle of friends. 100% of my black friends have guns.

From a quick google search:

From a voluntary survey that would presumably not include illegal guns or gun possession by someone distrustful of a policeman asking about it.

I would say it's already more or less equal.

(June 19, 2015 at 11:18 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 18, 2015 at 12:45 pm)Secular Elf Wrote: Another aspect of this story is how we Seculars are being criticized for our response.  Here is the link: How "Secular Humanists" Responded to Charleston Church Shooting  http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/06/18/how-s...-shooting/

That was the very first thing I wanted to look at after watching the news this morning.  My question was "I know we would criticize the prayer response, but I want to know how we should offer support for the people who are hurting from this."  You know, show our humanity towards those who lost their loved ones.  I am not saying we should not criticize the prayer response, I criticize it.  How would each one of us offer our support to them.  

I for one, would like to offer some kind of support in a fund to help offset their funeral expenses.  The hands that help are better far than lips that pray, as Ingersoll said.

An organization I am proud to have founded, the Freethought Society of the Midlands, has started a fund for the families of survivors that has raised over $3000. I know the Secular Humanists of the Low Country based in Charleston and other humanist groups in the state are also involved.
http://www.fsmidlands.org/

Of course nothing wrong with helping out your fellow humans at times like this. But even southern black liberals who voted for Obama don't trust atheists and also voted against gay marriage.

It is still the right thing to do, but sad that they cant see the irony of how they view atheists with the history of their treatment.

(June 19, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Now, if only black people in America would all arm themselves and start carrying guns with them everywhere they went, then maybe some of the gun nuts would change their minds about guns.

Believe it or not, that was exactly the point one (black) guest made on Fox this morning. The pastor should have been armed, he said.

(June 19, 2015 at 1:14 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(June 19, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Oh, you know it!  If our black population (and let's toss in the Latin Americans for good measure) armed themselves to the degree that whites do, white politicians would be stumbling over each other to offer a solution to the 'problem' (though I'd bet that the rhetoric would be even more hysterical -- something along the lines of 'epidemic' or 'crisis').

Errr In my experience black homes have more guns than white judging from my circle of friends. 100% of my black friends have guns.

From a quick google search:

From a voluntary survey that would presumably include illegal guns or gun possession by someone distrustful of a policeman asking about it.

I would say it's already more or less equal.

It doesn't matter if they have them in their homes.  They have to be seen with them, or it has little or no impact on people's attitudes.  If groups of 10-12 black men strolled through white neighborhoods, openly carrying guns, that would be noticed.  But having a gun in their own homes does not any visual impact.

(June 19, 2015 at 2:31 pm)abaris Wrote:

(June 19, 2015 at 12:48 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Now, if only black people in America would all arm themselves and start carrying guns with them everywhere they went, then maybe some of the gun nuts would change their minds about guns.

Believe it or not, that was exactly the point one (black) guest made on Fox this morning. The pastor should have been armed, he said.

That is very easy to believe, as it is a standard thing for gun nuts to say.  But for my idea to be tested, black people need to be armed and openly carry them everywhere they go.  Seeing black men always with a gun would have an impact on how guns were perceived by many who advocate for the right to bear arms.  If they have them at home, or hidden when out and about, then it will not have the visual impact necessary for what I am suggesting.

Of course, not all places allow for openly carrying guns, but in the places that do, it would very likely affect public attitudes toward guns.


The police seem to react differently to a white man carrying a gun and a black man carrying a gun:

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/ho...pen-carry/

The video is interesting to watch:





My guess is, a different reaction to black people carrying guns is not unique to police.