Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

[Spooky]

Well, I know I have done well when even the great Minimalist is forced to give up his usual profanity-laced one-line responses and actually dig for a more substantive response on the Internet.

Nah, that was for the normal and sane people on the board.  You, are still just a dumb fuck spouting the same old nonsense over and over.  You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

You're quite beyond hope.  In your case, the fucking bible probably is about all you can comprehend.

And his only source of "proof" for the supposed "facts".

[rexbeccarox]

I still haven't seen any facts, let alone five of them.

The Minimal Facts are:

1. Jesus died by crucifixion
2. Jesus' disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them
3. Saul, the persecutor of the Church, was suddenly changed
4. James, the skeptical brother of Jesus, was suddenly changed
5. Jesus' tomb was found to be empty

Do you have a theory about what happened that accounts for all five?

If so, we need to give it careful consideration. Thanks.

Not one of those things is a fact, let alone a minimal one, so I don't need a "theory" about even one. Even if I gave over to all of them as facts, they wouldn't prove anything about the Christ being god. I hope the circle will close itself off when I say you haven't even proven Christ existed, let alone your assertion that he was crucified to begin with, but luckily my hope isn't too great. You're welcome.

[robvalue]

[Minimalist]

Nah, that was for the normal and sane people on the board.  You, are still just a dumb fuck spouting the same old nonsense over and over.  You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

You're quite beyond hope.  In your case, the fucking bible probably is about all you can comprehend.

And his only source of "proof" for the supposed "facts".

There are some people who are so far gone that they believe anything.  This asshole should stick to Mother Goose and his fucking bible.

[pocaracas]

[Mothonis]

1. Obi-Wan Kenobi died in a lightsabre duel.
2. Kenobi's apprentice and former master saw he had risen and appeared to them.
3. Darth Vader, the persecutor of the Jedi, was suddenly changed.
4. Han Solo, the sceptical pilot for Kenobi, was suddenly changed.
5. Kenobi's robes were found to be empty.

 My God!!!! that was so PERFECT!!

I have to hug you 

[robvalue]

A lot of people suddenly change. Getting shot in the head will do that. Does that make the gunman God?

[FreeTony]

You can tell someone is bullshitting right from the start when they think they can prove things happened - word one of the title.
You can gather good evidence to support the claim, but you can't ever prove it. Proof is for mathematics, not science, certainly not for history and absurd for ancient history.

Using the OPs fallacious methodology, you'd have absolute "proof" that alien abductions happen, which would be overwhelmingly more concrete than this pupported resurrection.
1. Lots of people believe to have seen space aliens
2. Many have dedicated their lives to this belief. Why would they do this if it wasn't true?
3. Alien abductions have been reported in serious newspapers, why would they lie?
4. UFOs have been seen on radar screen.
5. UFO debris has been found.
6. We even know of different types of aliens.
7. The X-files was a documentary, not fiction. (This one may sound stupid, but this is actually totally analogous what we are dealing with in this thread)

etc etc. Mixing up beliefs with evidence, throwing in unsubstantiated evidence with the occasional substantiated evidence, mixing terminologies (UFO with alien)


If historians used this methodology, history lessons at school would be, rather ironically, like watching the History Channel.

[Randy Carson]

Well, I know I have done well when even the great Minimalist is forced to give up his usual profanity-laced one-line responses and actually dig for a more substantive response on the Internet.

Nah, that was for the normal and sane people on the board.  You, are still just a dumb fuck spouting the same old nonsense over and over.  You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

You're quite beyond hope.  In your case, the fucking bible probably is about all you can comprehend.

[Randy Carson]

Nah, that was for the normal and sane people on the board.  You, are still just a dumb fuck spouting the same old nonsense over and over.  You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.

You're quite beyond hope.  In your case, the fucking bible probably is about all you can comprehend.

And his only source of "proof" for the supposed "facts".

Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian, Mara Bar Serapion, The Talmud...

And you have?




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