No matter how much you wish it, reality does not feel pain for your particular supersticions. How many times do you have to lie to people about a something you wish so hard to believe that you can only continue believing. Believe as you will, just be wary of not letting your superstitions be used against other people. Is it such a terrible thing to ask?
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Current time: November 19, 2024, 4:37 pm
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| yes | 3 | 5.56% | |
| no | 34 | 62.96% | |
| other | 17 | 31.48% | |
| Total | 54 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Do you wish God was real?
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LastPoet
 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione
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Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm) Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione (June 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 25, 2015 at 1:02 pm)Tonus Wrote: If we gave up our free will and left the decision in god's hands, whether to save us or curse us, which do you think he would choose? Well, that is the fundamental abyss between you and me. I intend to do and help others to work together for something better for us. We in this tiny pale blue dot. You deliver what you could do, to an imaginary magic thing, brought to you by family and indoctrination. Brought by fear. If saving myself means I would relinquish my thought to a supposed god that gave me the hability to think and it condemns me for what it bestowed on me? Clusterfuck. I would rather spend eternity in hell, baking pies without an oven with people of free thought, than with sheep in god's almighy grace.  (June 25, 2015 at 1:45 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(June 25, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No. I think sometimes you can't help but believe/disbelieve in certain things. I agree completely, and have brought it up on my own in a different thread. I have talked about how I don't think atheists are going to Hell simply for not being able to believe. I think a person who lives a life of virtue will go to Heaven. :-) Is there anything I said that made you think I believed differently?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (June 25, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 25, 2015 at 1:45 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Good. So if I lack a belief in God, it's not because I've 'chosen' to disbelieve in God, it's because I can't believe in God. I can't believe in God until I've become convinced; just like I can't suddenly choose to believe that up is down and down is up, I can't choose to believe in God. I'm happy you think so, but what does Catholic doctrine state will happen to atheists?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
I voted no. This summarizes my thoughts on the matter:
Napoleon: M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book [Système du Monde] on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator. Laplace: I have no need for this hypothesis.  (June 25, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree completely, and have brought it up on my own in a different thread. I have talked about how I don't think atheists are going to Hell simply for not being able to believe. I think a person who lives a life of virtue will go to Heaven. :-) Well that makes me feel a lot better thanks. Oh hang on a minute, just over on the christian and islam forums they are pretty insistent that atheists/infidels will go to hell. Now I'm confused, which one of you believers should an atheist believe if he wants to go to heaven? (June 25, 2015 at 1:40 pm)Tonus Wrote:(June 25, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You have the choice not to.That doesn't really answer my question. Having the choice seems like a losing proposition. Letting god do the choosing works perfectly, letting me do the choosing has a chance of failing with tragic consequences. I don't know what we would be if we didn't have free will. Think about that for a second. This would mean that we would have no control over our bodies or our minds. We would just be empty shells... hand puppets. We would have no emotions. We would be nothing. I would not exist, and neither would you. So yes, I'd consider this not existing at all, because that's what it would be. With free will, we can exist. We still have the choice to try our best to live good lives and love others. I'd rather exist and take my chances with Hell, than not exist at all (which is basically what would mean if I had no free will.)
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh  (June 25, 2015 at 3:11 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(June 25, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree completely, and have brought it up on my own in a different thread. I have talked about how I don't think atheists are going to Hell simply for not being able to believe. I think a person who lives a life of virtue will go to Heaven. :-) Basically that we don't know. But that's pretty much what the Church says about everybody, when you get down to it. The only people who we claim to know where they ended up, are the Saints, who we believe are in Heaven. Even Hitler, we can't say went to Hell.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (June 25, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Cato Wrote: I voted no. This summarizes my thoughts on the matter: I don't remember this conversation, this Laplace fellow sounds like a spiffing chap. |
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