ex-Christians and the unpardonable sin

[Salacious B. Crumb]

I wouldn't wear it. It's too childish. That's the kind of thing a 15 year old rebelling against his parents would wear.

How is wearing this t-shirt any less mature than failing to understand (or admit) that Christians are trinitarians and not polytheists?

One, is a t-shirt that blasphemes against the holy spirit, and one, is an argument that says 3 different entities equal 1 entity. There's a big difference.

There's an argument to be had there by rational minds, and has nothing to do with people's maturity levels.

[Randy Carson]

You are at a disadvantage in this regard.

However, when you study the history of the Catholic Church and the doctrines of Christianity, you will, in time, be able to discern the differences.

But absent a valid baptism, Mormons are not Christians:

Vatican Will Not Accept Mormon Baptisms
July 20, 2001
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jul/20/news/mn-24451

That doesn't help all that much. They still sincerely believe that they are christians, and they don't care what the Vatican has to say, because...They're not catholics!

Anyone can CLAIM to be a Christian, but there are objective criteria by which these things can be determined. Baptism is the means by which we enter into the Body of Christ, and Mormons have screwed that up.

[Randy Carson]

How is wearing this t-shirt any less mature than failing to understand (or admit) that Christians are trinitarians and not polytheists?

One, is a t-shirt that blasphemes against the holy spirit, and one, is an argument that says 3 different entities equal 1 entity. There's a big difference.

There's an argument to be had there by rational minds, and has nothing to do with people's maturity levels.

The person who wears the t-shirt is doing so for the shock value.

The person who argues that Christians a polytheists and not simply trinitarians has scant more reason for making the claim.

He's being deliberately provocative, and he knows that's what he's doing.

[SteelCurtain]

So do you, jackass.

Mike, this is simply untrue, and you know it.

If you want to continue to argue against this straw man, so be it.

But you look foolish in doing so.

If you're going to make the effort, why not argue against what Catholics actually believe?

I know what you believe. It is utter nonsense. From the outside, it's polytheism. Sorry 'bout your luck, Chuck.

[vorlon13]

That doesn't help all that much. They still sincerely believe that they are christians, and they don't care what the Vatican has to say, because...They're not catholics!

Anyone can CLAIM to be a Christian, but there are objective criteria by which these things can be determined. Baptism is the means by which we enter into the Body of Christ, and Mormons have screwed that up.

Baneemy says Mormons are the only ones that do it correctly.

Mormons also sincerely believe the Holy Ghost did not impregnate the Virgin Mary since as a spirit, it had no physical body to do the deed, and even if it had, Jesus would therefore have been born as a spirit Himself, not a flesh and blood living embodied person. Jesus takes after his 'real' dad in having a an actual physical body, and that dad is Adam (as in Adam and Eve).

By the lax standards of logic employed in the religiousite world(s), the Mormons version actually makes a particle or two more sense. It's still a hectare and a firkin short of a happy meal, but there we are.

[abaris]

How is wearing this t-shirt any less mature than failing to understand (or admit) that Christians are trinitarians and not polytheists?

And even theologians have their pants in a twist explaining the finer differences.

[snowtracks]

The Unpardonable Sin is the reject of the remedy for sin. It’s really hard to pull-off but some are able to do it. To claim it for yourself, you will really have to work to get it. You’ll take more difficulty to get it than not to get it. You will have to climb some mountains, you have climb over the cross, and over Calvary to claim for yourself. The quest is not done yet; you’ll have climb over Scripture, your own better judgment, your conscience that’s telling you about sin, righteousness, and divine judgment. If you’re successful, the endpoint is a place where truth and morality, and God authority don’t exist. Some want that more than anything. Included in this hard-working group are many who believe in God’s existence but want to shake-off the shackles that bind and go it alone.

[Randy Carson]

Mike, this is simply untrue, and you know it.

If you want to continue to argue against this straw man, so be it.

But you look foolish in doing so.

If you're going to make the effort, why not argue against what Catholics actually believe?

I know what you believe. It is utter nonsense. From the outside, it's polytheism. Sorry 'bout your luck, Chuck.

Only to ignorant outsiders. But if you know that we believe in one God, claiming otherwise is a straw man. And you know that.

[Randy Carson]

Anyone can CLAIM to be a Christian, but there are objective criteria by which these things can be determined. Baptism is the means by which we enter into the Body of Christ, and Mormons have screwed that up.

Baneemy says Mormons are the only ones that do it correctly.

Mormons also sincerely believe the Holy Ghost did not impregnate the Virgin Mary since as a spirit, it had no physical body to do the deed, and even if it had, Jesus would therefore have been born as a spirit Himself, not a flesh and blood living embodied person. Jesus takes after his 'real' dad in having a an actual physical body, and that dad is Adam (as in Adam and Eve).

By the lax standards of logic employed in the religiousite world(s), the Mormons version actually makes a particle or two more sense. It's still a hectare and a firkin short of a happy meal, but there we are.

Arguing with an atheist about Mormon theology? Ummm...no thanks.

[SteelCurtain]

I know what you believe. It is utter nonsense. From the outside, it's polytheism. Sorry 'bout your luck, Chuck.

Only to ignorant outsiders. But if you know that we believe in one God, claiming otherwise is a straw man. And you know that.

The concept of a triple godhead that is at once three separate entities and one is the very definition of stupidity. It is either one or the other. If you claim that your god is three entities, then your are a polytheist. I care not that you amend the claim after the fact to wrap yourselves up in a quandary for which the exit strategy is "it isn't meant for us to understand."

That just confirms the bullshittery. Once again, you'll find no quarter here with idiocy. I will illuminate that shit with the bat signal.