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Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
(July 2, 2015 at 10:12 am)Chuck Wrote: All morality appeals to consequence, whether they admit to it or not.   Science informs whether the specific allegation of the consequence is bullshit or not.
All? really? Are you sure?
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
I'm scared to watch this video, I think my brain might implode Sad

I'm so sick of religious people trying to rubbish science. Science is the one and only demonstrated method we have for getting as close to an accurate model of reality as we can. It represents the very best "tools" we have yet developed. Throw them away and you have either worse tools, or no tools. Demanding 100% certainty is a fool's game, and you're certainly not going to get closer using "other" methods.

At a very basic level, if it works accurately, it is science. If it doesn't, it is not science. So if whatever crap they are talking about with their religious claims demonstrably works, then it is science and so falls under their own criticism. If it doesn't demonstrably work then it should be ignored. I'm putting all my money on the second option.

If I'm feeling brave at some point I'll watch it, but god damn it... I know I'm going to want to scream at these guys! Religion keeps looking to pick a fight with science, but science is not "the competition". It just happens to make religion look very stupid as a side effect. Too bad.
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
I'll take a look at the responses in more detail later, but just quickly, it is my understanding that science can inform morality. I might be wrong here, but science can tell humans what is and isn't moral. That's why abattoirs no longer slit throats and opt for stunning instead or why we are attempting to cut down on use of fossil fuels (because we care about lungs).

If it wasn't for science they'd no Kalaam Argument because they rely on scientists saying our universe is finite. However, the scientific definition of nothing is totally different from the religionists definition and that's one reason why Kalaam is such a poor argument.

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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
(July 2, 2015 at 10:16 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(July 2, 2015 at 10:12 am)Chuck Wrote: All morality appeals to consequence, whether they admit to it or not.   Science informs whether the specific allegation of the consequence is bullshit or not.
All? really? Are you sure?

Name one that says nothing good will come of this, but you should do it any way.
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
Never trust any fuck face with a holy book in his hand.  If his lips are moving, he's lying.
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
(July 2, 2015 at 10:57 am)Chuck Wrote:
(July 2, 2015 at 10:16 am)pocaracas Wrote: All? really? Are you sure?

Name one that says nothing good will come of this, but you should do it any way.

Can I say abortion (not for all cases of pregnancy, but for a few select cases)?
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
there are logical conclusions and emotional conclusions.  too bad most people do not understand the differences.
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
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RE: Science is just testemony apparently? How would you respond?
(July 2, 2015 at 8:11 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:
(July 2, 2015 at 7:55 am)Alex K Wrote: My doctor doesn't allow me to watch Hamza Tsortzis videos.
I should probably do the same. Your doctor is a very sensible person.

But something that struck me is that Hamza asks two question at the end and no one. The questions have different answers yet he implied he only asked one question afterwards. But look, the way I know Muhammad, assuming he existed, is a liar has nothing to do with science or scientists. Simply reading the Quran and listing all of the crazy things it says is enough.

To expand on the video in the original post, Hamza doesn't believe that the average person can demonstrate the Earth is round and therefore the deity he grovels to is real. This is clearly nonsense.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WFy6k4UTA
The Earth is round?  That's crazy.  Everyone knows it's an oblique circular cone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone
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