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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 8, 2015 at 9:20 pm
(July 8, 2015 at 6:56 pm)IATIA Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I remember being told, in childhood, that whoever saw god died on the spot.
Then that means everyone that goes to heaven will die. 
I think he's talking about the concept of the "Beatific Vision". Most Christian denominations, Catholicism especially here with Purgatory, state that nothing unclean/with sin can come into the presence of God. To behold God, to be inducted into the Glory of the "Beatific Vision" you have to be judged to be righteous/sinless. If you're in heaven that means you're without sin, at least serious ones.
It's not that you'll die if you see God in his true form, it is more you simply won't be able or allowed to unless you fulfill the criteria.
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 9, 2015 at 2:46 am
(July 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: Also, would be glad if anyone might either confirm or dispute this particular Medusa-like attribute of God.
-But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus, 33:20. 
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 9, 2015 at 2:59 am
Yo god is SO ugly that people die when they see him!
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 1:38 am
(July 9, 2015 at 2:46 am)Rhythm Wrote: (July 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: Also, would be glad if anyone might either confirm or dispute this particular Medusa-like attribute of God.
-But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus, 33:20.
People saw God all the time. It depends on who was telling the fairy tale.
Exodus 33:11 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...CV;KJV;NLT
Numbers 12:8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...EV;KJV;NLT
Deuteronomy 5:4 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...JB;KJV;NLT
Deuteronomy 34:10. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...JB;KJV;NLT
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 2:10 am
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2015 at 2:10 am by Redbeard The Pink.)
There were very specific rules about touching and handling the ark, and the handling described here was apparently out of line with that.
The moral of the story? Good does not care about anything but absolute obedience. Even if your response is a reflex reaction that bypasses critical thought by nature of how he designed it, even if your response comes from a good place and is even a noble deed...doesn't matter. You disobey, you die. No second chances, special cases, or mercy.
What a loving god.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 5:00 am
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2015 at 5:05 am by robvalue.)
So why won't God kill me? I'm calling him a worthless lying sack of shit extremely minor deity on work experience. Isn't that worse than touching something? I'm thinking about not just touching his ark, but rubbing one out into it. And as we know, thoughts are as bad as actions.
Kill me God, what you waiting for!
See, once the spell is broken, there is no fear. Or at least only residual fear from prior misinformed beliefs.
Kill me God you great big pussy!
And I mean right now, not "when I die that's when God killed me". Right now. Do it. Uzzah wasn't given a suspended sentence, so why am I getting one? Kill me and take me to hell!
I also don't mean "send some mental person with a hatchet to kill me" either. I want you to do it directly, like you used to.
I have problems. But God isn't one of them 
Would any Christians dare to say what I just typed out loud? Go on, try it. Nothing will happen. I say it all the time.
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 1:45 pm
(July 11, 2015 at 2:10 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: There were very specific rules about touching and handling the ark, and the handling described here was apparently out of line with that.
The moral of the story? Good does not care about anything but absolute obedience. Even if your response is a reflex reaction that bypasses critical thought by nature of how he designed it, even if your response comes from a good place and is even a noble deed...doesn't matter. You disobey, you die. No second chances, special cases, or mercy.
What a loving god.
You married? Have kids? What happens to discipline in your house when you tell your son, "Don't pull the dog's tail", and he ignores you? He might get bitten or he might learn that dad is a wimp and there are no consequences for disobedience. So what happens later when he is playing ball in the yard and chases that ball into the street and you yell "Stop!" because a car is coming but he ignores his wimpy dad?
God says, "Don't touch the ark." Uzzah touches it. What do the Israelites learn from that? That God's rules can be broken? What happens when later God gives them some important life-and-death instructions, and they decide to ignore Him again? Lots more than one person might have died.
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm
(July 11, 2015 at 1:45 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 11, 2015 at 2:10 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: There were very specific rules about touching and handling the ark, and the handling described here was apparently out of line with that.
The moral of the story? Good does not care about anything but absolute obedience. Even if your response is a reflex reaction that bypasses critical thought by nature of how he designed it, even if your response comes from a good place and is even a noble deed...doesn't matter. You disobey, you die. No second chances, special cases, or mercy.
What a loving god.
You married? Have kids? What happens to discipline in your house when you tell your son, "Don't pull the dog's tail", and he ignores you? He might get bitten or he might learn that dad is a wimp and there are no consequences for disobedience. So what happens later when he is playing ball in the yard and chases that ball into the street and you yell "Stop!" because a car is coming but he ignores his wimpy dad?
God says, "Don't touch the ark." Uzzah touches it. What do the Israelites learn from that? That God's rules can be broken? What happens when later God gives them some important life-and-death instructions, and they decide to ignore Him again? Lots more than one person might have died.
Sure, whenever one of my children disobeys me, I kill them just like any good father would do. It teaches the others a valuable lesson.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 3:11 pm
(July 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (July 11, 2015 at 1:45 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: You married? Have kids? What happens to discipline in your house when you tell your son, "Don't pull the dog's tail", and he ignores you? He might get bitten or he might learn that dad is a wimp and there are no consequences for disobedience. So what happens later when he is playing ball in the yard and chases that ball into the street and you yell "Stop!" because a car is coming but he ignores his wimpy dad?
God says, "Don't touch the ark." Uzzah touches it. What do the Israelites learn from that? That God's rules can be broken? What happens when later God gives them some important life-and-death instructions, and they decide to ignore Him again? Lots more than one person might have died.
Sure, whenever one of my children disobeys me, I kill them just like any good father would do. It teaches the others a valuable lesson.
We're still talking about it 3,000 years later, so I'd say God got a lot of mileage out of it...which was His point, I believe. ![[Image: wink.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=forums.catholic.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fwink.gif)
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RE: Why Did Uzzah Die For Touching the Ark?
July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm
I wonder how your fucking god would have reacted if "Uzzah" stood there while the whole mess fell off and cracked in the donkey shit on the road?
Probably would have drowned the whole bunch of fuckers, eh?
Children believe such absurd tales, Randy. Time to grow up, now. There are no "gods."
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