I think if we ever get to the point where forced sterilization is necessary we should start with people that have low IQ levels. Let the smart people have kids and let the stupid ones go extinct.
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| Poll: Overpopulation is a serious problem and you get to cast the deciding vote. Which do you choose? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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| It is more important that people can decide how many children they want to have, than that they can have enough food to eat. So I vote that there will be no forced restrictions on having children, and so millions of people will starve to death. | 9 | 36.00% | |
| It is more important that people do not starve to death, than that they have the freedom to reproduce at will. So I vote that there will be forced restrictions on having children, and so people will be forcibly made sterile once they have children. | 16 | 64.00% | |
| Total | 25 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
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 "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
 (July 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:(July 11, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No. If someone wants to not vaccinate their kids they have that choice as long as they keep them out of public schools. It is a choice not a violation. Choices do have consequences. That's part of the choice, though. You do not have a right to expose others to contagious diseases. If you want to do that, you pay a price. Whether that price is worth it or not is up to the individual.  RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm by Excited Penguin.)
 RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm
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(July 10, 2015 at 9:49 pm)Dystopia Wrote: How do you propose even implementing the measure? How do you know who has kids? You know it's possible to hide it from society, right? How do you know someone is pregnant? How do you determine who has more or less kids? Which criterion? Nazi Germany had ways. Friends, family and neighbors will squeal like stuck pigs. (not all of course, but enough)
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
July 11, 2015 at 3:54 pm
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I think forced sterilization is probably a step too far, however I would instead support taxing people with 2 children, and very heavily taxing people who have more than 2. This would have to apply only to people who do not have children yet, not to families which are already large, as it's not fair to suddenly slap that tax on them out of nowhere. That's more favourable in my opinion than forcibly sterilizing people. You can technically have as many children as you want, but it's strongly discouraged and tax is used as an incentive not to have more than 2.
That's how I'd do it. Sure it's still a bit unethical, but I don't think you can ever introduce population reduction without at least some unethical stuff. It's certainly more favourable than outright killing off living people or sterilization.
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You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy  RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
July 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm
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(July 11, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(July 11, 2015 at 10:24 am)Chuck Wrote: Ultimately nothing can be right or wrong except through appeal to the desirability of its consequences. To argue think something can be right or wrong in itself without regard to its global consequences is to shatter any pretense to relevance of the very concept of right or wrong. The consequences, not the ends, if ends if used to mean intentions. The desirability of the overall probable consequences justifies the means, always. Further more desirability of overall probable consequences provides the complete justification for the means, and no other form of justification is admissible. Nothing can be good whose overall probable consequence is bad. If its probable overall consequence is good, then it is kindergarten level intellectual infantilism to call it bad, for what possible material meaning would good have in that case, then? RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm
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(July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: ... I was expressing disagreement with a principle that you claimed: (July 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: ... That is why it was brought up. If you believe your principle is irrelevant to the topic, why did you bring it up? And if it is relevant, then whether it is true or not is surely relevant. (July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: ... The best current scientific evidence suggests that everything will die. That is why I believe it. Regardless, I will be dead anyway, so it is irrelevant to my life. (July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I know you are. I meant if the site still showed you that you got a reply from me, regardless of my replying to you in this manner. I am asking about the Alert feature, to be precise. I have over 500 "alerts." I ignore them. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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