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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 10:57 am
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GC, if you're simply -incapable- of answering the hypothetical (because you're a christian or it's a tuesday or the phase of the moon or whatever), then your comments -can't- be a response to the question.
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 11:08 am
(July 18, 2015 at 8:29 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 18, 2015 at 2:40 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: How do you know it can't happen, do you know the mind of God?
To a point, what He reveals to me. I know He has never been proven to lie, accused by unbelievers who have no idea what they are talking about, yes, but then when they do not understand the scriptures I can only believe they are more interested in harm than truth.
GC
CG if god came to you and killed everyone you loved and your pets just for the hell of it would you or would you not keep worshiping said being?
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 11:13 am
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(July 18, 2015 at 11:08 am)dyresand Wrote: (July 18, 2015 at 8:29 am)Godschild Wrote: To a point, what He reveals to me. I know He has never been proven to lie, accused by unbelievers who have no idea what they are talking about, yes, but then when they do not understand the scriptures I can only believe they are more interested in harm than truth.
GC
CG if god came to you and killed everyone you loved and your pets just for the hell of it would you or would you not keep worshiping said being?
That is the Job thing. GC wastes this life in anticipation of the afterlife, so nothing here on earth matters.
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 11:18 am
(July 18, 2015 at 8:29 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 18, 2015 at 2:40 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: How do you know it can't happen, do you know the mind of God?
To a point, what He reveals to me. I know He has never been proven to lie, accused by unbelievers who have no idea what they are talking about, yes, but then when they do not understand the scriptures I can only believe they are more interested in harm than truth.
GC
Okay that was the point I was getting at with this question. If you knew for certain that it was God and he was telling the truth when he told you that not to commit murder was a sin, would you kill people?
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If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 11:23 am
There's allot dancing around this. Could a xian just answer the question please? Would you murder on your god's explicit, face to face orders?
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 11:49 am
Quote:That is the Job thing.
And the Job thing is more shit stolen from the Sumerians/Babylonians.
http://www.piney.com/BabTabuBel.html
Quote:Ludlul Bel Nimeqi, Tabu-utul-Bel (Job)
In about1700 B.C. a Babylonian poem treats of a mysterious affliction which overtook a righteous man of Babylon, and has been compared with the book of Job:
And thus pre-dates it by at least 1,000 years.
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 1:23 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 3:53 am)robvalue Wrote: This is one of those questions which highlights the core problems with "religious morality".
If your only standard is God, then you have no grounds to reject anything he says, even if he changes his mind. You can't even say you prefer how things used to be, because that implies some other standard you are using to judge God.
So if the theist says they will refuse, they are admitting to some different form of morality separate from God. If they agree, then they show they are entirely amoral, and have no actual objections to rape and murder themselves; just that God says don't do them (which is debatable).
So they kind of can't answer. I'll be impressed if anyone gives an honest answer.
That is worth repeating. It is the Euthyphro dilemma in different words. And it is a very nice summary of the issue, drawing out a very important point about what morality based on god really means.
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 2:00 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 11:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (July 18, 2015 at 8:29 am)Godschild Wrote: To a point, what He reveals to me. I know He has never been proven to lie, accused by unbelievers who have no idea what they are talking about, yes, but then when they do not understand the scriptures I can only believe they are more interested in harm than truth.
GC
Okay that was the point I was getting at with this question. If you knew for certain that it was God and he was telling the truth when he told you that not to commit murder was a sin, would you kill people?
If I understand what you're saying ( if God told me that murder wasn't a sin would I murder, is this the question)? You see when I answered your question before I said I knew God's mind to a point because He had revealed things to me. He revealed He wasn't a liar, nor could He be. God as already stated in the Bible that murder was a sin, for God to say to me murder wasn't a sin would then be a lie. God doesn't lie so He wouldn't tell me murder wasn't a sin, now the old devil might try that trick, however I would know better because Jesus said that those who are His would recognize His voice.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Quote:You see when I answered your question before I said I knew God's mind to a point because He had revealed things to me.
You need to see a shrink, G-C. Before those voices in your head get you into trouble.
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RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 2:32 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 17, 2015 at 10:42 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: This is too the Christians out there. If God suddenly and with absolute certainty it was him came and told all Christians you must steal, rape, and murder and to not do so was a punishable sin what would you do?
Know it wasn't God speaking, that would make Him a liar and God himself says He doesn't lie. You're asking Christians to assume something they know can't happen.
GC
The Bible claims God ordered murder and rape many times. In Numbers 31, he orders both.
http://www.parallelbible.com/numbers/31.htm
So, is the Bible a false document? Or are you just full of shit when you say that God would not command murder and rape?
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