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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 10:59 am
(August 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 2:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Please tell me your really not that stupid....
I offered to pray what ever it took to find God, for anyone who wanted me to. (Again, this could mean a winning lottery ticket or cancer/aids) This is nothing different than what I prayed for myself and I found God.
What if I told you that the sentiment "I would be okay with, and will in fact entreat, my god to beat the crap out of you, in order to make you agree with me," is vicious and terrible no matter how much doublespeak you inject into it first?
So you would rather never face a course correction and run aground/loose everything, then take a course correction (severity depending on how hard your heart was) that could make you happy for eternity?
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:02 am
(August 9, 2015 at 2:47 pm)pool Wrote: If you like think suffering can bring someone closer to God... 
Not always it depends on the person. Suffering can make one put his Pride down, and seek God which in turn can open the door to a real relationship with God. it just depends on how hard the heart is.
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:03 am
Wait, now I'm confused.
Drich, did you even actually say you would explicitly say the prayer, "Please God give so and so cancer if that would mean they would find you?"
Or do you just simply pray more along the lines of "Please God help so and so find you in whatever way would reach them?"
Because there is a big difference between the 2 I think, and if it's merely the second one then you have been wildly misrepresented here.
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:11 am
(August 9, 2015 at 3:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 12:11 pm)Drich Wrote: Don't forget cancer, I was willing to prayer for cancer too. In short I was willing to pray for what ever it took to win individual souls over, whether it be a winning lottery ticket or aids/cancer (which btw was my route)
But you 'honest/good people' always seem to selectively forget that part
Can't remember that post, one way or the other.
What I will say is that, either way, it demonstrates the power of prayer absolutely - no power at all.
Again I offered to pray that for me as well as others, I being only one of the two things needed to make that prayer work. Your involvement was also needed. It worked for me, a dozen blood labs, cat scan, prostate biopsy, bone marrow biopsy, genetic tests, a very invasive bladder check, and 10/11 months of being told I have cancer 'we just can't find it' and at the end being told "your white cell numbers may just be high. less than 2% of the population live this way, but you maybe part of that group." says that prayer did indeed work.
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:15 am
(August 10, 2015 at 10:41 am)Drich Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 2:47 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Well lets see. First off I'm not your kid, First, The situation is You over Your kids. You being the ultimate authority over them. Like wise God being the Ultimate Authority over you.
I simply offered to pray what ever it took. I again did not put myself in a position to decide whether or not you got the carrot or stick, just Ask God to put you in line for one or the other.
Quote:second off I guess I am a bigot because of my hate the sin not sinner attitude towards Christianity. But what scares me is that your belief system has your mind so twisted that you inflicting torture on someone is equilevant to making a kid eat their vegetables. How about before you start wishing shit on us, or even coming to an atheist forum, how about talking to the other 40000 kinds of Christian so you guys can get your story straight, because even you guys on this forum can't agree with each other.
Again, bigot. Look at my actual wording not what your Hate filled mind has twisted my words to say.
If you can admit that you are a bigot then wouldn't it stand to reason that you could also admit to cherry picking a comfirmation biased statement out of my original words?
Remember bigot your the bad guy here even by pop culture standards. Why? because bigots lie/misrepresent to themselves about the actions of whole groups of other people in a propagandist effort to win mob appeal, so that action can be justified. That's what you have admitted to doing. You don't care what I have actually said, you were able to cherry pick out several key words and reassemble them to justify turning off your logic and reason, and replace it with self righteous hate mongering.
First off God doesn't have total authority over us, as you can't even demonstrate he's real. And yes I admit to having a hate the sin not the sinner attitude towards Christianity, but I did not cherry pick your words, I merely stated you prayed for many of us to catch aids which is a fact. I said I don't give a fuck about your justification because demonstrating your God to everyone at the same time should be a simple and unambiguous step. But instead of doing that you want to see us tortured. Also cut the pop morality crap, this thread aptly demonstrates that your "Christian Morality" is in best case scenario nothing more than gods whims, which he can chnage whenever he wants. But go ahead just keep chanting bigot.
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:17 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2015 at 11:20 am by Lemonvariable72.)
(August 10, 2015 at 11:03 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Wait, now I'm confused.
Drich, did you even actually say you would explicitly say the prayer, "Please God give so and so cancer if that would mean they would find you?"
Or do you just simply pray more along the lines of "Please God help so and so find you in whatever way would reach them?"
Because there is a big difference between the 2 I think, and if it's merely the second one then you have been wildly misrepresented here.
It was the first one. I may have actually taken the second as a sign of him caring. Also it was mostly aids not cancer. Drich is a HIV controller and feels that is what brought him to God.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:28 am
(August 10, 2015 at 11:17 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (August 10, 2015 at 11:03 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Wait, now I'm confused.
Drich, did you even actually say you would explicitly say the prayer, "Please God give so and so cancer if that would mean they would find you?"
Or do you just simply pray more along the lines of "Please God help so and so find you in whatever way would reach them?"
Because there is a big difference between the 2 I think, and if it's merely the second one then you have been wildly misrepresented here.
It was the first one. I may have actually taken the second as a sign of him caring. Also it was mostly aids not cancer. Drich is a HIV controller and feels that is what brought him to God.
Oh whoops, I thought it was cancer.
Are you able to show me where he said this so I can look at the context? If not, that's ok. I was just curious.
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:29 am
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August 10, 2015 at 11:34 am
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RE: If God changed his mind
August 10, 2015 at 11:36 am
(August 9, 2015 at 9:36 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: Don't tell me what I do or don't have (what I hear from atheist all the time), I have my evidence through a personal relationship with God, it's not my fault you haven't sought out God.
GC
But I did seek out God. your terms or His?
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