If God changed his mind

[Drich]

Please tell me your really not that stupid....

I offered to pray what ever it took to find God, for anyone who wanted me to. (Again, this could mean a winning lottery ticket or cancer/aids) This is nothing different than what I prayed for myself and I found God.

What if I told you that the sentiment "I would be okay with, and will in fact entreat, my god to beat the crap out of you, in order to make you agree with me," is vicious and terrible no matter how much doublespeak you inject into it first?

So you would rather never face a course correction and run aground/loose everything, then take a course correction (severity depending on how hard your heart was) that could make you happy for eternity?

[Drich]

If you like think suffering can bring someone closer to God...

Not always it depends on the person. Suffering can make one put his Pride down, and seek God which in turn can open the door to a real relationship with God. it just depends on how hard the heart is.

[Catholic_Lady]

Wait, now I'm confused.

Drich, did you even actually say you would explicitly say the prayer, "Please God give so and so cancer if that would mean they would find you?"

Or do you just simply pray more along the lines of "Please God help so and so find you in whatever way would reach them?"

Because there is a big difference between the 2 I think, and if it's merely the second one then you have been wildly misrepresented here.

[Drich]

Don't forget cancer, I was willing to prayer for cancer too. In short I was willing to pray for what ever it took to win individual souls over, whether it be a winning lottery ticket or aids/cancer (which btw was my route)

But you 'honest/good people' always seem to selectively forget that part

Can't remember that post, one way or the other.

What I will say is that, either way, it demonstrates the power of prayer absolutely - no power at all.

Again I offered to pray that for me as well as others, I being only one of the two things needed to make that prayer work. Your involvement was also needed. It worked for me, a dozen blood labs, cat scan, prostate biopsy, bone marrow biopsy, genetic tests, a very invasive bladder check, and 10/11 months of being told I have cancer 'we just can't find it' and at the end being told "your white cell numbers may just be high. less than 2% of the population live this way, but you maybe part of that group." says that prayer did indeed work.

[Lemonvariable72]

Well lets see. First off I'm not your kid,

First, The situation is You over Your kids. You being the ultimate authority over them. Like wise God being the Ultimate Authority over you.
I simply offered to pray what ever it took. I again did not put myself in a position to decide whether or not you got the carrot or stick, just Ask God to put you in line for one or the other.

second off I guess I am a bigot because of my hate the sin not sinner attitude towards Christianity. But what scares me is that your belief system has your mind so twisted that you inflicting torture on someone is equilevant to making a kid eat their vegetables. How about before you start wishing shit on us, or even coming to an atheist forum, how about talking to the other 40000 kinds of Christian so you guys can get your story straight, because even you guys on this forum can't agree with each other.

Again, bigot. Look at my actual wording not what your Hate filled mind has twisted my words to say.

If you can admit that you are a bigot then wouldn't it stand to reason that you could also admit to cherry picking a comfirmation biased statement out of my original words?

Remember bigot your the bad guy here even by pop culture standards. Why? because bigots lie/misrepresent to themselves about the actions of whole groups of other people in a propagandist effort to win mob appeal, so that action can be justified. That's what you have admitted to doing. You don't care what I have actually said, you were able to cherry pick out several key words and reassemble them to justify turning off your logic and reason, and replace it with self righteous hate mongering.

First off God doesn't have total authority over us, as you can't even demonstrate he's real. And yes I admit to having a hate the sin not the sinner attitude towards Christianity, but I did not cherry pick your words, I merely stated you prayed for many of us to catch aids which is a fact. I said I don't give a fuck about your justification because demonstrating your God to everyone at the same time should be a simple and unambiguous step. But instead of doing that you want to see us tortured. Also cut the pop morality crap, this thread aptly demonstrates that your "Christian Morality" is in best case scenario nothing more than gods whims, which he can chnage whenever he wants. But go ahead just keep chanting bigot.

[Lemonvariable72]

Wait, now I'm confused.

Drich, did you even actually say you would explicitly say the prayer, "Please God give so and so cancer if that would mean they would find you?"

Or do you just simply pray more along the lines of "Please God help so and so find you in whatever way would reach them?"

Because there is a big difference between the 2 I think, and if it's merely the second one then you have been wildly misrepresented here.

It was the first one. I may have actually taken the second as a sign of him caring. Also it was mostly aids not cancer. Drich is a HIV controller and feels that is what brought him to God.

[Catholic_Lady]

Wait, now I'm confused.

Drich, did you even actually say you would explicitly say the prayer, "Please God give so and so cancer if that would mean they would find you?"

Or do you just simply pray more along the lines of "Please God help so and so find you in whatever way would reach them?"

Because there is a big difference between the 2 I think, and if it's merely the second one then you have been wildly misrepresented here.

It was the first one. I may have actually taken the second as a sign of him caring. Also it was mostly aids not cancer. Drich is a HIV controller and feels that is what brought him to God.

Oh whoops, I thought it was cancer.

Are you able to show me where he said this so I can look at the context? If not, that's ok. I was just curious.

[Drich]

What if I told you that the sentiment "I would be okay with, and will in fact entreat, my god to beat the crap out of you, in order to make you agree with me," is vicious and terrible no matter how much doublespeak you inject into it first?

Can I make a suggestion?

I'm not saying that I agree with praying for someone to get cancer in any scenario. I think doing so is wrong, even if it ends up being for the greater good.

Now I'm going to repeat those lines because I'm sure someone will accuse me of it anyway:

I'm not saying that I agree with praying for someone to get cancer in any scenario. I think doing so is wrong, even if it ends up being for the greater good.

With that being said, if you are truly trying to understand where Drich is coming from, you have to look at it through his lenses. What's worse... battling cancer for a limited amount of time, or eternity in torment? He believes that people who do not believe in God go to Hell (a sentiment I also don't share, mind you).  

Drich also said it took him getting cancer to find God.

So, since he believes the worst possible thing that can happen to someone is to be in eternal torment, and since he believes that not believing in God will get you there, and since he personally didn't find God until he got cancer, can you at least understand where he is coming from when he says that he would rather someone go through absolutely anything, regardless of how bad it is, if it would mean avoiding the worst thing of all?

Their were several factors:

First a trip to Hell:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
Then a prayer to do whatever it took: post 135
http://atheistforums.org/thread-11671-page-14.html
Then direction:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
Then I went to work for several years (their is a post that details everything for the last 20 years, but I can't find it)

Then my comments about cancer here. Then there are several posts in the announcement/departing thread about my cancer scare.

Why is all the ups and down so nessary?

Because it is with the Ups we are tested in faithness and our pride in tested, and with the downs our beliefs are corrected and we learn and grow For God. Wisdom and insight is obtained.

to Not pray for the bad is to rob believers of the easiest way to truly know who God is and what God wants. It also forces out blind eyes to open and our deaf ears to hear Him.

That said the prayers is not just for the bad things but the heart and willingness to learn who God is from those things.

I would not trade my life's experiences for anything period. When it's all laid out most people could not be paid to go though what I have. Not that I want to go through those things. I like everyone else wants a easy life, I just happen to know God CAN be found in the hardships IF one Ask, Seeks, and knocks for him.

[Drich]

Cl, that is what makes it extra scary. I quote firefly when I say " There is nothing worse then a monster that thinks he's right with God."

The only thing worse than a monster who thinks he is right with God, is a society of Evil Men who think they are right without Him.
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~Drich

[Drich]

Don't tell me what I do or don't have (what I hear from atheist all the time), I have my evidence through a personal relationship with God, it's not my fault you haven't sought out God.

GC

But I did seek out God.

your terms or His?