Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[Kingpin]

Yes sir

Nice, has a certain Andrew Scott meets Daniel Radcliffe quality

ha!  I can actually see that!

Wait....Daniel Radcliffe.....you calling me a wizard?

[Longhorn]

@lkingpinl

That you in the avatar? ^^

Yes sir

There goes my imagining that you look like the actual kingpin

[Kingpin]

Yes sir

There goes my imagining that you look like the actual kingpin

I wish I was that menacing and imposing.

[IATIA]

Ok I don't even know where to begin on responding to this....dust has consciousness??

Of course it does.
Have you never run into a dust mephit in your adventures?

And of course, Dust Bunnies.

[Little Rik]

Ok do you read what you write?  You contradict yourself at every turn. You say you don't believe the universe is infinite.  Which means you believe it is finite (had a beginning and will have an end).

Iki, please take a breath and read my sentence slowly.
By reading running you will not be able to understand a thing.
For finite universe i mean the size of the universe which has nothing to do with beginning and end.

Then you state you don't believe it had a beginning.  WTF?

Correct.

Further you state the God is all things.  This would include the universe (and everything in it).

Correct

But the universe is finite (though you seem unsure)

Finite in size.

so God came into existence

That is your deduction.
I believe that God always exist.

How can something create itself?

You again deduce that God was created.
My believe is that we shouldn't deduce anything that we yet can not fully understand.
Man consciousness is quite big compared to animals or plants so we presume that we can be able to understand so many things.
In fact man knows less then 1% of what is there.
With this less than 1% is obvious that we can only understand less than 1% so to presume something that is behind our understanding is pure speculation.
I just leave all speculations, guessing and deduction with you.
As far as i am concern i try my best to understand what come after that 1% or so.
After that i may be able to see the full picture.  

[Little Rik]

Doctors declared that person-S dead not almost dead so if that dead person consciousness is alive and well
doesn't that means that the consciousness can be separated from the body? 

Death is by definition the permanent cessation of vital processes. If something comes back to life, it wasn't dead.

And again.....All in the person's head. Not outside of it.

Instead of being called the........Prince of Waffles ...........you should have called yourself the Prince of Guessing
because all your believes are based on guessing.
Doctors declared these people dead just because they (the doctors) find these people 100% dead.
The heart stop beating, there is no activity in the brain so how the hell can you say that this person is not dead yet?
The problem with you is that you can not digest the fact that the consciousness live on after the body-brain is dead.
This particular behaviour is better known as dishonesty.     
As simple as that.  






 

[Little Rik]

The brain is made of matter while the consciousness is something abstract.
The brain give energy to the consciousness so this consciousness can be active and think or do things.
It is like the vehicle that you drive.
Without the vehicle you could not proceed along this life.
That doesn't mean that the vehicle is you.
It is the driver that dictate what to do not the vehicle.
But don't worry Red.
Sooner or later this issue will be known to you.
As the old granny said........IS NEVER TOO LATE TO LEARN. 

More assertions. No proof. Show proof of your claims. Every time you're asked to do so, you just make more claims and maybe a stupid analogy. Show proof that consciousness can exist without brain matter or piss off.
Fucking Chopra-Chokers, man. So much woo.

Stop for a moment to swear and masturbate your brains and read some of these experiences.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experienc..._s_nde.htm

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

[Cato]

Nice, has a certain Andrew Scott meets Daniel Radcliffe quality

I think he and Jim Jefferies could pass as brothers.

[Longhorn]

Death is by definition the permanent cessation of vital processes. If something comes back to life, it wasn't dead.

And again.....All in the person's head. Not outside of it.

Instead of being called the........Prince of Waffles ...........you should have called yourself the Prince of Guessing
because all your believes are based on guessing.
Doctors declared these people dead just because they (the doctors) find these people 100% dead.
The heart stop beating, there is no activity in the brain so how the hell can you say that this person is not dead yet?
The problem with you is that you can not digest the fact that the consciousness live on after the body-brain is dead.
This particular behaviour is better known as dishonesty.     
As simple as that.  
 

In what way am I guessing exactly?

The definition of death is permanent ending of vital processes. Permanent. PERMANENT, dammit.

The doctors don't have knowledge of whether the cessation is permanent or not at the moment of proclaiming someone dead. Being proclaimed dead when you're alive does not make you dead.

The hallucinations were happening inside the person's brain only and can be repeated with the use of drugs. Demonstrate consciousness occurring outside of a brain.

[Confused Ape]

In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.

I'm guessing this relates to the Yogi and Hindu world view that the universe and everything in it is a manifestation of Ultimate Reality which is conscious.  This Ultimate Reality consciousness wouldn't be anything like our tiny, limited human consciousness, though.

If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

Let's say Ultimate Reality really is conscious for the purpose of this discussion.

1) Ultimate Reality has manifested me as a body with a brain.  My personal consciousness is a product of my brain.  When my brain dies it will no longer produce my  personal consciousness.

2) It's logical to assume that a conscious Ultimate Reality would retain the information gained by manifesting as me throughout my lifetime.  This information would, of course, be part of Ultimate Reality so I would no longer exist as a little, individual entity.

3) Everything in Nature gets recycled so Ultimate Reality could recycle my character and personality traits by manifesting a different body and brain. This new brain wouldn't produce me, of course - it would be a different person.



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