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July 19, 2015 at 8:11 am (This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 8:12 am by robvalue.)
(July 19, 2015 at 8:01 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(July 19, 2015 at 6:22 am)robvalue Wrote: Would you like to tell us what you think "scientific" means Rik?
Sure Rob.
Mother nature works in a certain way.
Science is the effort to understand how this way is or how it works
so a scientist is the one who understand or try to understand this process and the word scientific means
the correct understanding of how mother nature works.
This sounds fairly reasonable, assuming "Mother Nature" is a metaphor. So how do we know if our findings are correct?
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The only thing that admire in this guy is his lung capacity.
It talk and talk without taking a breath of rest.
All the rest is just trying to work out the interrelation between brain and the consciousness.
It is similar to a mechanic that try to understand how the vehicle works.
Nothing really wrong with Ted.
The only thing that i don't agree with him is the fact that he seem to believe that the self and the consciousness are two separate things.
I believe that there is no distinction.
Ted doesn't understand that there are layers in the consciousness.
The outside layer is what we are aware of.
The inner layer is what is there but we are yet unable to be aware of.
A bit like the part of the iceberg hidden below the water.
If only Ted would have practice yoga he would know much better how the system works.
(July 19, 2015 at 5:19 am)robvalue Wrote: Did the "do you believe in God" thread run out of pages?
Why do I keep looking...
Fuck - it's broken loose! Containment failure!!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(July 19, 2015 at 8:01 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure Rob.
Mother nature works in a certain way.
Science is the effort to understand how this way is or how it works
so a scientist is the one who understand or try to understand this process and the word scientific means
the correct understanding of how mother nature works.
This sounds fairly reasonable, assuming "Mother Nature" is a metaphor. So how do we know if our findings are correct?
As soon as the theory is put into practice and the practice works perfectly then we know that the findings are correct.
For working perfectly i mean work in a way that lead to solutions.
These solutions should not be understood as progress as progress doesn't exist within the physical arena.
The only thing that admire in this guy is his lung capacity.
It talk and talk without taking a breath of rest.
All the rest is just trying to work out the interrelation between brain and the consciousness. It is similar to a mechanic that try to understand how the vehicle works(...)
You are right, mechanics should not know about vehicles. Next time I want to fix my car, i will go to a spiritualist, to faith heal it. Or something.
Enrico, can I have the phone number of your dealer? He seems to have some good shit.
In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die.
Then by your speak, when we die the worms, bacteria and fungi absorb our consciousness.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
(July 19, 2015 at 8:26 am)robvalue Wrote: One day I'll learn how to be spiritual. But we have to get this science thing down first.
Rob.
You know the story of the 3 horses that pull the carriage?
Suppose you got these 3 horses and you or better say your inner self wish to proceed towards a goal.
Would you feed only one or two horses or you would feed all the 3 horses so they all can pull the carriage properly?
We are in the same situation.
We are made of body-mind and spirit or the inner self.
If you feed only the body and the mind and starve your inner self there is no chances that the carriage of your life would proceed straight.
Nothing wrong with feeding the science.
The wrong thing however is to let starve the rest.
July 19, 2015 at 8:50 am (This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 8:50 am by Longhorn.)
(July 19, 2015 at 8:07 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(July 19, 2015 at 6:12 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Stop doing shrooms.
You came in this thread with a loud roar like a lion that want to assert his superiority but it seems that now you loss the roar.
I don't have any superiority to assert. My mind is just boggled from how dead serious you appear to be while spurting out nonsense. That, and I'm still waiting for you to provide an instance of a plant demonstrating consciousness as defined earlier. Please feel free to do it at any moment now. Until then, I really don't know what else to say to you.
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