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(July 19, 2015 at 8:11 am)robvalue Wrote: This sounds fairly reasonable, assuming "Mother Nature" is a metaphor. So how do we know if our findings are correct?
As soon as the theory is put into practice and the practice works perfectly then we know that the findings are correct.
For working perfectly i mean work in a way that lead to solutions.
These solutions should not be understood as progress as progress doesn't exist within the physical arena.
OK. So if we put them into practice and they seem to be working, how do we know we're not making a mistake somehow? How do we know we're interpreting things correctly?
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July 19, 2015 at 8:58 am (This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 8:59 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(July 19, 2015 at 8:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: [...]
Suppose you got these 3 horses and you or better say your inner self wish to proceed towards a goal.
Would you feed only one or two horses or you would feed all the 3 horses so they all can pull the carriage properly?
We are in the same situation.
[...]
lol
I now see the problem you're having. One of your "horses" is IMAGINARY. You can feed it all you want, but you'll just keep turning in circles - as you are.
Seriously - I hope you are a child, because if you're not - we're laughing at a mentally challenged, or ill person...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
(July 19, 2015 at 8:47 am)Iroscato Wrote: Rik - proving that a species that split the atom and sent people to the fucking moon can still result in true, profound stupidity since 2013.
After all the bla, bla, bla and crap from the previous posts here we got an interesting question.
A knife can kill and at the same time can help you to do so many practical things in your life.
The atom is the same.
It can kill but can also solve so many problems.
By splitting atoms we can get a lot of energy which help us in solving so many problems so everything in nature come
with the positive and negative.
You got the hands.
You can use to kill people or you can use to build a house.
You never thought about it Iro.
Didn't you.
Oh, by the way don't forget also that by using your hands and your brain properly you can also write
something that make sense instead the usual bla, bla, bla.
Rik, your thinking/reasoning if flawed. You think you are demonstrating logic and reason when you are not. Debating you is a waste of time and energy because you can only see your flawed logic and pseudoscience (a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method).
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(July 19, 2015 at 8:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: [...]
Suppose you got these 3 horses and you or better say your inner self wish to proceed towards a goal.
Would you feed only one or two horses or you would feed all the 3 horses so they all can pull the carriage properly?
We are in the same situation.
[...]
lol
I now see the problem you're having. One of your "horses" is IMAGINARY. You can feed it all you want, but you'll just keep turning in circles - as you are.
Seriously - I hope you are a child, because if you're not - we're laughing at a mentally challenged, or ill person...
Indeed!
Little Rik believes in sparklely MAGIC! All of his world view of god and the univese breaks down eventually into the element of sparkle fairy dust magic. His god uses it and is made of it. He just won't let go of the idea that science is bad and sparkle fairy dust magic is good.
(July 19, 2015 at 8:30 am)Little Rik Wrote: As soon as the theory is put into practice and the practice works perfectly then we know that the findings are correct.
For working perfectly i mean work in a way that lead to solutions.
These solutions should not be understood as progress as progress doesn't exist within the physical arena.
OK. So if we put them into practice and they seem to be working, how do we know we're not making a mistake somehow? How do we know we're interpreting things correctly?
C'mon now, we're so close! How can we be sure we've removed our own bias, mistakes or even incompetence from the conclusion we think we've drawn?
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July 19, 2015 at 10:21 am (This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 10:22 am by Whateverist.)
(July 19, 2015 at 4:19 am)luka Wrote: This is exemplary of how many religious people regard the consciousness and the body. They say things like, "he physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?"
I can't wait for the day that we unlock the mystery box that is human consciousness. Then finally we will know how the human brain can create what we call the "self." The ignorance will be driven out and people will be humbled in their humanity and the absence of a soul.
That hasn't helped so much in the case of evolution. Can't imagine how the rest of us understanding how consciousness works will ever reach someone like Little Dik. They prefer the 'truth' they know to the Truth that is .. and by a wide margin.
July 19, 2015 at 10:33 am (This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 11:19 am by Iroscato.)
(July 19, 2015 at 9:04 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(July 19, 2015 at 8:47 am)Iroscato Wrote: Rik - proving that a species that split the atom and sent people to the fucking moon can still result in true, profound stupidity since 2013.
After all the bla, bla, bla and crap from the previous posts here we got an interesting question.
A knife can kill and at the same time can help you to do so many practical things in your life.
The atom is the same.
It can kill but can also solve so many problems.
By splitting atoms we can get a lot of energy which help us in solving so many problems so everything in nature come
with the positive and negative.
You got the hands.
You can use to kill people or you can use to build a house.
You never thought about it Iro.
Didn't you.
Oh, by the way don't forget also that by using your hands and your brain properly you can also write
something that make sense instead the usual bla, bla, bla.
Funnily enough, I have considered it that way plenty of times. Fire burns and destroys, yet can also provide warmth and light. Any technology can be used for good and for bad, can be destructive or constructive. Technology only comes from scientific innovation, and has allowed us to drag ourselves up from the mud and into the modern age, including the invention of the machine you are currently sitting in front of and use to spray your form of manure all over the internet.
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In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die.
Then by your speak, when we die the worms, bacteria and fungi absorb our consciousness.
And as usual, you ignore the consequences of your statement.
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