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RE: Why homosexuality is forbidden in islam
July 20, 2015 at 10:23 am
Yeah, he did defend marrying children. Ages 8-12 I believe.
Must say anything to pretend the Kuran is relevant.
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RE: Why homosexuality is forbidden in islam
July 20, 2015 at 10:59 am
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(July 20, 2015 at 10:16 am)Aractus Wrote: All of your arguments are perfectly reasonable. However gays are not the only group of people who are at increased risk of disease and cancer, take smokers for instance. How does that change the fact that everyone is equally entitled to be treated with the same dignity and respect that our culture values? Why should gays be treated any differently just because their lifestyle has some disadvantages? Surely they can make an informed choice about their own lives and manage their risks just as anyone else.
Don't even get me started on what Muslims are susceptible to;
Rickets - Muslim women are at great risk of rickets due to lack of sun exposure. And there's no shortage of sunlight in the Middle East and North Africa, let's be real.
Dehydration and starving - fasting in one of the hottest parts of the world and that month-long festival is falling in summer at the moment, very fucking clever.
Depression - people who drink moderate amounts of alcohol and have healthy sex lives are shown to be less depressed.
Self-flagellation among Shia Muslims - don't need to say any more on that.
And this one is worried about gay men and their rectal cancer. Tidy your own house before you comment on mine.
That enough for you?
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RE: Why homosexuality is forbidden in islam
July 20, 2015 at 11:48 am
huss88ein Wrote:I've been asked this question thousands of times and I arrived at a point that the only way to discuss it should be with facts and statistics and scientific methods.
First lets list the points of view why homosexuality occur in older days it was always attributed to psychological causes but by the nineties it was considered bothe gentic and psychological some theists argue that as a lie but I wont cause it's pointless to say things and arrive at a dead end in the discussion I will adress it as genetic only.
So in atheists words a gay person can't help it but to be gay.
I will use two methods statistics and comparasion
First being gay is bad for u in a matter of fact a gay person is at higher risk for diseases and rectal cancer
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/house-...r-benghazi
Some might argue they're only hurting themselves I don't believe that regarding the fact that the welfare of a society is everybody's business but let's assume it's ok .
Second if u gave gays the right to practice their rituals u must give it to others such as zoophiles and sado maso couples .
Some might say it's ok with them as these aren't hurting anyone else too .
Third in med school we've been introduced to a notion called violent genes which exist in some people giving them tendencies (like the gay tendencies) to commit crime and when the study had been made the majority of criminals have them and some others have them and didn't commit crimes they controlled these tendencies.
We can deduct from that
That gay people can suppress these tendencies even if they're genetic.
And if u gave gay people the right to practice homosexuality why not give the same right to people with violent genes some might argue that gays aren't hurting anyone (except themselves of course) will what if these violent people demanded to practice these tendencies with other people like them an others who concent to it and demanded to have their own clubs where they practice these tendencies!!!
So from above we will have a community with homosexuality and killing rings is that considered as an evolution of society! for me it's not that's ancient Rome!!!!!!
What does any of that have to do with Islam. It sounds like you're trying to build a case for oppressing homosexuals that doesn't rely on the Koran, so how is it 'why homosexuality is forbidden in Islam'?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Why homosexuality is forbidden in islam
July 20, 2015 at 12:11 pm
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(July 20, 2015 at 11:48 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: What does any of that have to do with Islam. It sounds like you're trying to build a case for oppressing homosexuals that doesn't rely on the Koran, so how is it 'why homosexuality is forbidden in Islam'?
Exactly.
These people know their arguments from the religious angle are baseless now, so increasingly they're looking for "scientific proof" that being gay isn't a good thing. Thing is you can't find it, and when you do find it it's something that doesn't just affect gay people.
This "rectal cancer" case study he loves throwing around, once again telling us half the story. Yes being on the receving end of anal sex leaves you more likely to get rectal cancer, but that's as true for women as it is gay men. Everyone and anyone can get a sexually transmitted infection or disease if they are not careful having any kind of sex, but does that mean straight people shouldn't have sex? I doubt he thinks so.
And I just think it's so interesting the way he's saying all this like he cares about our health. You don't give a shit about the health of homosexuals, and you know you don't.
I'm also still dying at " if u gave gays the right to practice their rituals"
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