Evidence: The Gathering

[Randy Carson]

So, for the past couple of months, I've been listening to skeptics saying, "Show me the evidence, show me the evidence" again and again as if by repetition, they can somehow ward off seeing the existence of God, the existence of Jesus and the resurrection.

Therefore, I'm going to use this thread to gather examples of various types of evidence that I come across. I'll add to or subtract from this document as it seems necessary.  Consider this a work in progress.

Evidence for the Existence of God

Philosophical Arguments
Throughout history, many efforts have been made to prove or disprove the existence of God, and most of these efforts have been discarded. However, there are number of philosophical arguments which have withstood the tests of time and of criticism. The believer only needs one of these arguments to be true while the skeptic must refute all of them thoroughly; if any one of them remains intact after scrutiny, then the existence of God has been proven.

1. The Argument from Change
   
2. The Argument from Efficient Causality
   
3. The Argument from Time and Contingency
   
4. The Argument from Degrees of Perfection
   
5. The Design Argument
   
6. The Kalam Argument
   
7. The Argument from Contingency
   
8. The Argument from the World as an Interacting Whole
   
9. The Argument from Miracles
   
10. The Argument from Consciousness
    
11. The Argument from Truth
    
12. The Argument from the Origin of the Idea of God
    
13. The Ontological Argument
    
14. The Moral Argument
    
15. The Argument from Conscience
    
16. The Argument from Desire
    
17. The Argument from Aesthetic Experience
    
18. The Argument from Religious Experience
    
19. The Common Consent Argument
    
20. Pascal's Wager (not technically an argument for God existence)
    

Available here.

“Modern” Miracles
Lourdes, Fatima and other appearances of Mary and Jesus approved by the Catholic Church
The Incorruptibles (saints whose bodies have not experienced corruption.)

Personal Experience
When a person comes to know God personally, this knowledge is evidence of His existence.

Evidence for the Existence of the Historical Jesus (Ehrman’s Criteria)

Physical Evidence (photographs, inscriptions on coins, etc.)
The Shroud of Turin

Writings
Nothing written by Jesus exists.

Writings of Others about Jesus
New Testament Documents
Josephus
Tacitus
Pliny the Younger
Mara bar Serapion
Clement of Rome
Polycarp

Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus

Fact 1
After his crucifixion, Jesus was buried by Joseph of Arimathea in his personal tomb. This is significant because it would have been difficult for the disciples to make up the story of an empty tomb when everyone knew where the tomb was located.
1. Jesus’ burial is attested in the very old tradition quoted by Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians.
“For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.” (1 Co 15:3-5)
Paul “received” this account from Peter within the first five years of Jesus’ crucifixion making the possibility of legend or myth very unlikely.
2. The account of the burial is part of very old source material used by Mark in writing his gospel. The passion narrative, in particular, is thought to be from an even earlier account that was used by all of the gospel writers.
3. As a member of the Jewish court that condemned Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea is unlikely to be a Christian invention.
4. No competing burial story exists.

Fact 2
On the Sunday following the crucifixion, the tomb of Jesus was found empty by a group of his female followers.
1. The empty tomb story is part of the very old source material used by Mark.
2. The old tradition cited by Paul in 1 Corinthians implies the fact of the empty tomb.
3. Mark’s story is simple and lacks signs of legendary embellishment.
4. The fact that women’s testimony was worthless in first century Palestine strengthens the case that women were the first to discover the empty tomb. Why would any account use the suspect testimony of women if it were not an accurate recounting of what really happened?
5. The earliest Jewish allegations that the disciples had stolen Jesus’ body presupposes that the tomb was empty.

Fact 3
On multiple occasions and under various circumstances, different individuals and groups experienced appearances of Jesus alive after his death.
1. The list of eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection appearances (which is quoted by Paul and vouchsafed by his personal acquaintance with many of the people involved), guarantees that such appearances occurred. These included appearances to Peter, to the Apostles, to 500 people at one time, and to James.
2. The appearance traditions in the gospels provide multiple, independent attestation to these appearances.
3. Researchers have noticed signs of historical credibility in the specific appearances; for example, the unexpected activity of the disciples’ fishing prior to Jesus’ appearance by the Lake of Tiberius or the otherwise inexplicable conversion of James.

Fact 4
The disciples believed that Jesus was risen from the dead despite having every reason not to believe it.
1. Their leader was dead, and Jews had no belief in a dying (and rising) Messiah.
2. According to Jewish law, Jesus’ execution as a criminal showed him to be a heretic and a man literally under the curse of God.
3. Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone’s rising from the dead before the general resurrection at the end of the world.
4. The disciples were transformed from a dispirited, fearful group into a bold and fearless force willing to take on the world.

Fact 5
The conversion of Paul

Fact 6
The conversion of James

Fact 7
The Jews who followed Jesus abandoned the Sabbath and chose the first day of the week, Sunday, as their holy day.
1. Why would Jews abandon the Sabbath day instituted by God unless something very significant had happened on Sunday?

Fact 8
The Apostles began to preach the resurrection of Jesus in Jerusalem where He had been killed.
1. They did not return to Galilee and begin preaching to people who had no knowledge of the facts concerning Jesus’ crucifixion; they began preaching right under the noses of those who were responsible for His death.
2. Anyone wanting to disprove the resurrection would only have to open the nearby tomb to display the corpse or skeleton.
3. No one on either side of the issue denied that Jesus’ tomb was empty; as stated previously, the Jews claimed that the disciples stole the body.

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[Jenny A]

The Shroud of Turin?  Really?  Really, really?  

The Shroud of Turin or Turin Shroud (Italian: Sindone di Torino) is a length of linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have suffered physical trauma in a manner consistent with crucifixion. There is no consensus yet on how the image was created. It is believed by some to be the burial shroud of Jesus of Nazareth, despite radiocarbon dating tests from 1988 dating it to the Medieval period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

For the rest you're just rehashing what we killed in your last thread.

[The Grand Nudger]

You wont make any of those things "facts" by repetition....., nor will you make them "arguments" by creating a list......which seems to be what you're aiming for.  

...and when you're done with that...you'll still have one teeny, tiny problem.....none of it matters in the least, because none of it gives us a reason to be christians.

[dyresand]

i thought this was magic: the gathering until i had to read it over again
what the title should be Bullshit: The gathering.

[robvalue]

Hundreds of shit arguments do not make a good argument.

Piles of shit evidence do not amount to good evidence.

[dyresand]

Randy you aren't posting evidence its the same old used tiring arguments that people have been saying
for years... YEARS i tell you. It doesn't matter how much you reword it retell it and even put it in a new
wrapper on it, your arguments are still the same when it comes down to it. catholicism along with the rest
of the abrahamic religions fall apart when it comes to evidence. The lack of evidence should be proof
enough for you to know what you believe in is lies. Even history has something to say about
religions, there is more than enough historical proof to prove the bible to not be true.

[LastPoet]

You cant argue anything into existence. You know, something from the void inside your cranium.

[Cato]

Miracles approved by the Catholic Church. Only a complete moron would consider this evidence for god.

[robvalue]

Has Randy now resorted to throwing so much shit on the floor we can't be bothered to clear it all up? This is getting seriously desperate.

How about the argument for not worshipping an evil being? Works for me.