Jesus sacrifice and why it didn't count

[Mr.wizard]

Is it also a violation of our free will? I never asked anyone to die for my sins, maybe I wanted to atone for my own sins.

[Chad32]

That's typically what a responsible adult would do.

[Longhorn]

That's typically what a responsible adult would do.

But a responsible adult is something religion desperately doesn't want you to be

[Mr.wizard]

That's typically what a responsible adult would do.

Of course, that's why I scratch my head when Christians claim to be the moral standard.

[Chad32]

They say we're the ones trying to avoid judgement, while they use their own god as a scapegoat. Because their god stacked the deck that way.

[Brian37]

It isnt even a moral story. You have your decision making as who to forgive taken from you, on top of being a scientificly absurd claim that humans can survive death.

It is myth and never happened in reality. But the myth reads more like a celebrity stalker who fakes suicide to get attention.

[KevinM1]

The Jesus story makes a little bit of sense in that "My brother knew one of his disciples! That whole thing totally happened, bro!" way, where the hook for belief stems from the locality of the myth and its characters rather than the veracity of the story itself.

But, yeah... the story itself is utterly ridiculous. Some kind(ish), loving(ish) man-god decides to pull suicide by cop in order to create a pathway to forgiveness for the things he put in place while in his god form hundreds/thousands of years before... and we're supposed to be grateful, even though we weren't sinners when he offed himself... and the sacrifice didn't stick because he decided that death kinda sucked three days into it... and it raises a shit load of questions about the nature of sin and god's strength and/or intelligence/wisdom to overcome it/absolve it if that's the best solution he could come up with....

[dyresand]

The Jesus story makes a little bit of sense in that "My brother knew one of his disciples!  That whole thing totally happened, bro!" way, where the hook for belief stems from the locality of the myth and its characters rather than the veracity of the story itself.

But, yeah... the story itself is utterly ridiculous.  Some kind(ish), loving(ish) man-god decides to pull suicide by cop in order to create a pathway to forgiveness for the things he put in place while in his god form hundreds/thousands of years before... and we're supposed to be grateful, even though we weren't sinners when he offed himself... and the sacrifice didn't stick because he decided that death kinda sucked three days into it... and it raises a shit load of questions about the nature of sin and god's strength and/or intelligence/wisdom to overcome it/absolve it if that's the best solution he could come up with....

Yeah also its not the most moral story in the bible. god in the bible doesn't set a good example at all except a good example of 
being a fuck up, maniac, and idiot, and others. When a simple i forgive you could have solved everything the had to fuck up 
and get temporarily incapacitated.

[Bob Kelso]

Sounds like someone took the ol' Jewish scapegoating system and went balls to the wall with some overdone fanfiction with it to me. 

[Chad32]

More like they had someone they idolized, but he got himself killed, and that's why christians got so pissed at the Jews for so long. Except they decided to twist it into something that was supposed to happen (while still being mad at the jews), and claim Jesus as the messiah. Despite the fact that he doesn't meet the jewish requirements for the messiah.