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Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
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RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 19, 2015 at 5:21 am)80sChild Wrote: Yeah if you doubt it angers God and shows no faith. I hate that word!! [emoji14][emoji13]

(August 19, 2015 at 5:19 am)robvalue Wrote: I always say, people shouldn't fear to investigate. If something is true, it will stand up to scrutiny. The fact that religion heavily fortifies itself by making doubt itself a bad thing is a giveaway.

No problem! Lovely to be your friend Smile Have you read my website? I also have a load of links on it to useful and entertaining resources:

http://robvalue.wix.com/atheism#!links/cd1k

No I haven't looked but I will for sure!!  Cool!! [emoji41]

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Don't let him sell you his rabbits and hamsters! I think he buys hamsters wholesale from Alex and onsells!
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#32
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
What! You're not meant to be able to access that page yet, how did you...
Feel free to send me a private message.
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#33
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 19, 2015 at 5:36 am)robvalue Wrote: What! You're not meant to be able to access that page yet, how did you...

That's easy! ...

I just ran portscan with the "/hamsterpoo" filter and it found yours and Alex's ip addresses!
And you both just happen to have hamsters! co-incidence? I fucking think not!
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#34
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
I knew I shouldn't have relied on hamsters to do my web security.
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#35
Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 19, 2015 at 5:33 am)ignoramus Wrote:
(August 19, 2015 at 5:21 am)80sChild Wrote: Yeah if you doubt it angers God and shows no faith. I hate that word!! [emoji14][emoji13]


No I haven't looked but I will for sure!!  Cool!! [emoji41]

It's a trap
Don't let him sell you his rabbits and hamsters! I think he buys hamsters wholesale from Alex and onsells!

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#36
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 18, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I’m sure most of us, atheists, would like to talk to god at least one time in our lives, but he never seems to reveal himself to us.
If you don't know who or what God is how would you know if in fact He has been speaking to you all a long?

Quote:Why doesn’t god tell the people that talk to him, that subscribe to other religions, that they need to convert to christianity?
Because not everyone wants to worship the God of the bible. Those who do He reaches out to.

Quote:How come god lets them go to hell, by not telling them that jesus is their savior?
Same as above.
Just look at what some have said here. "They could never worship a God who does believe in equal rights, or they will not bow a knee to a God who does not 'X'. " You can fill in the blank with anything.

Quote: How do you know that they’re not talking to god, and you’re talking to yourself?
Because the results or what God does for you is out of your control.

Quote:They’re just as convinced as you that they are talking to god, and of course god tells them to convert others to their religion, just like you.
Your confused about other religions. Christianity is the only one that offers communication with God. The other are told not to expect to hear from Him till the after life unless you are a prophet or some high ranking member of that religion.

Quote:God commands people to kill other people in the Old Testament. How do you know god isn’t talking to ISIS, and telling them to kill other tribes of people?
Because again their God does not speak to them, they only have what some religious leader takes from their holy book.

Quote: You don’t. You’re assuming that’s not occurring, because it doesn’t concur with your book of bullshit.
ah, no. It's by the word of their own prophet. The cannon of their scripture has closed with the death of moe-ham.

Quote:By your standards of evidence (pure gullibility), if you thought prayer has been successful for you in the past, it has worked for every other person that was praying, while practicing a different faith than you, as well.
That's not how prayer works in Christianity nor in Islam.
Prayer in Islam is a form of worship, meaning the purpose is only to give their God glory.
http://islam.about.com/od/prayer/ht/pray.htm
Quote: Why does your jealous god answer prayers for people in other religions, instead of putting them to death for worshipping false gods?

What makes you think God does answer their prayers? God is not the only being out their answering 'prayers.'

Quote:Going by the stories of the bible, you’d think that there would only be one religion on this earth, if the bible was true.
why?

Quote:A few thousand years ago, god cared so much when people didn’t worship him, that he commanded Moses to massacre people that didn’t worship the correct version of him, but in present-day reality, he longer does that. Why did the unchanging god change his strategy from massacring people, to doing absolutely nothing?
The deaths ordered by God to moses served one purpose. that was to preserve the line of Christ. If God order whole peoples destroyed it was because He knew someone in that line would disrupt His plan of salvation.

Quote:If you actually talked to god, you’d be able to put forth a cogent justification for your god, and who knows.. MAYBE, actually provide proof of its existence. You’d think that your amazingly intelligent god would actually make you smarter, and not cause you to constantly spew fallacious bullshit, by trying to shift the burden of proof on others as your argument.
Who are you speak about? do you have examples?

Quote:Is your god that evil that he doesn’t want to convert us, although many of us are open to new evidence?
If this were true you would A/S/K for it as you have been instructed.

Quote:Your god almost seems like he wants to send most people on this planet to hell. How loving of him. Or, is your god just that pathetic and can’t persuade an atheist while speaking through you? All you people that talk to him, send him my way, I’ll be happy to talk to your version of god.
Then humble yourself and Do What God Demand That You Do to Receive Him.

Quote:Also, I can’t just have faith in your conversations with god, because you have deluded yourself so much that you can’t see that god’s voice, is just your thoughts.
God's voice is not (For me anyway) an internal thing. It's not a longing or leading by feeling. I hear Him through messages/sermons on the radio. I experience direction through the opportunities he has provided me with, I get confirmation in a 100 little mini miricals every week that are the direct result of me being faithful to what I have been given. That and He sent a 'messenger.'

Quote: I can’t delude myself either, by thinking thoughts in my head, are voices from god, because I’ve put these ‘voices’ to the test years ago in testable experiments (like you should do), and at least half the time they failed. As a reasonable human being, I could no longer believe that I was talking to a loving, omniscient god. Based on the evidence I gathered, I had to conclude that I was talking to myself.
You probably were talking to yourself. We have been tasked to find God, God does not have the task to find you.
Quote:Care to address any of these logical questions or statements? Many would like to know if he exists or not. That doesn’t change the fact, that most of us, still, won’t worship it, but it would be nice if it dropped by once, and did one thing that would prove its existence to us
If you could only bring yourself to A/S/K you would be given Everything You personally would need to know God with out any doubt what so ever.

Quote: Why would that be so hard? Jesus did it for Thomas in the storybook, why not in real life?
Yes He did and He offers that same 'proof' for any of us, but one thing you fail to see about Thomas, is that even though he doubted He was still in the upper room. Which is a big deal because after the resurrection the apstoles were wanted men. Meaning Thomas even through out his doubts was there to serve. You are not only out of the room you are one of those who persecute those in the room right now, so then why would God do anything more than what has already been done for you?
Quote:Or, maybe, you people who claim to talk to god, are full of shit, but I’m all ears to your new argument, evidence of god’s existence, or to hear why I’m wrong in my argument.
This only further proves my above point.

Quote:Also, one more thing.. I ran into another verse that people usually don’t talk about very much recently, and since I’m 99.999% sure god won’t answer my question, maybe you theists that talk to god can tell me why this is.

Lev 12:1-5 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.

Why does god think that when a woman gives birth to a girl that she is to be considered unclean for double the amount of time rather than if she gave birth to a boy? Why are women considered unclean after they’ve given birth?
The reason given can be classified under three different catagories.
Biological
Social
Spiritual

Biological, none that I am aware.

Social, Males needed to bond with the Father ASAP, so the Father would identify and accept his son. The same with the Mother. (the Father would care for the son while the mother was being purified) The mother's extra time with the daughter would also allow for her bonding.

Spiritual, to be 'Spiritualy clean' means to be as perfect as possible and to be ready to devote one's self to God and the law. To be put side was not a punishment, but a break from the rigors of OT Jewish life.
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#37
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 19, 2015 at 2:22 am)80sChild Wrote: ............... I know . So freaking hard to admit. I try to have faith like they say , but damn. Idk people that say there Christians treat people like crap, and I'm ready to bail. Just lost I guess and can't admit it.

I think you just did.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know" ... indeed admitting that much liberates you to learn. Nothing interferes with learning so much as certainty that one already has the answers.

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#38
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 19, 2015 at 5:15 am)80sChild Wrote: Thanks ! I will do all that. I am talking with a older man on IGI for a few days now he is real smart when it comes all this stuff . I have many atheist friends on here when I was banned from Christian forum site for defending my church when a lady called it of the devil (LDS) . I was banned and she attacked me.  I had enough !! Thank you all for being here, I don't have friend away from here. I live in Mexico . We have an Agro business here. So..., [emoji111]️[emoji6][emoji4]chow??

(August 19, 2015 at 3:57 am)robvalue Wrote: You're most welcome Smile You can always talk it though with me, on the forum or by private message. I understand it must be very hard when your family is so religious. You have my sympathy. I'm never going to tell you what to believe, all I do is give my thoughts and encourage rational thinking.

I can't believe how much better I am treated by the atheist than my fellow Christians. Amazing . Thank you for being friends! I need them !! I am going to do some reading if you have any suggestions shoot em at me!! Good night !! [emoji111]️??

Glad that you came here with more of an open mind than most of the other christians that I have seen.
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#39
RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
Quote: If you don't know who or what God is how would you know if in fact He has been speaking to you all a long?

I’ve heard many claims of god, by you, and others, and haven’t come across one as of yet.

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Why doesn’t god tell the people that talk to him, that subscribe to other religions, that they need to convert to christianity?

Because not everyone wants to worship the God of the bible. Those who do He reaches out to.

You’re right, not everyone wants to worship the god of the bible, because they don’t believe in it at all. Do you want to worship the gods of Hindu? No, you say? Interesting, I’m sure some are saying your exact argument about you right now. Again, why wouldn’t god want to steer them in the correct direction?

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How come god lets them go to hell, by not telling them that jesus is their savior?

Same as above.
Just look at what some have said here. "They could never worship a God who does believe in equal rights, or they will not bow a knee to a God who does not 'X'. " You can fill in the blank with anything.

Same answer as above for me too.

Quote:Quote:
How do you know that they’re not talking to god, and you’re talking to yourself?

Because the results or what God does for you is out of your control.

I don’t understand that answer.

Quote:That's not how prayer works in Christianity nor in Islam.
Prayer in Islam is a form of worship, meaning the purpose is only to give their God glory.
http://islam.about.com/od/prayer/ht/pray.htm


Quote:What makes you think God does answer their prayers? God is not the only being out their answering 'prayers.'

This should cover some of your other responses as well. There are stories in other religions that god does answer their prayers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer In Germanic paganism, god answers their prayers, as well as others.

Quote:Quote:
Going by the stories of the bible, you’d think that there would only be one religion on this earth, if the bible was true.

why?

My next line in the last post will tell you. “A few thousand years ago, god cared so much when people didn’t worship him, that he commanded Moses to massacre people that didn’t worship the correct version of him, but in present-day reality, he longer does that. Why did the unchanging god change his strategy from massacring people, to doing absolutely nothing?”

You’d think you’d see christians massacring other religions because of their god telling them to do so, if your book was true, which would lead to one religion.

Quote:Quote:
If you actually talked to god, you’d be able to put forth a cogent justification for your god, and who knows.. MAYBE, actually provide proof of its existence. You’d think that your amazingly intelligent god would actually make you smarter, and not cause you to constantly spew fallacious bullshit, by trying to shift the burden of proof on others as your argument.

Who are you speak about? do you have examples?

Just read all of your dodges. How about your attempt at answering the straightforward question about why women are unclean for double the amount of time depending on if they give birth to a boy or a girl?

Quote:If this were true you would A/S/K for it as you have been instructed.

And, if you don’t get any responses…. ? What is a logical human being supposed to assume?

Quote:God's voice is not (For me anyway) an internal thing. It's not a longing or leading by feeling. I hear Him through messages/sermons on the radio. I experience direction through the opportunities he has provided me with, I get confirmation in a 100 little mini miricals every week that are the direct result of me being faithful to what I have been given. That and He sent a 'messenger.'

I’m guessing, by your definition of mini-miracles, I have about the same amount each week, and why would god bless me with those if I don't believe in him, pray, or any other related activities to that?

Quote:You probably were talking to yourself. We have been tasked to find God, God does not have the task to find you.

I agree that I was talking to myself, or just thinking my thoughts were god’s voice… And, how loving of him.

-Regarding your response to the Lev 12:1-5 bible verse. You completely dodged my question. Why does god consider women to be unclean for twice as long if she gives birth to a girl instead of a boy?

This doesn’t answer anything
Quote:The reason given can be classified under three different catagories.
Biological
Social
Spiritual

Biological, none that I am aware.

Social, Males needed to bond with the Father ASAP, so the Father would identify and accept his son. The same with the Mother. (the Father would care for the son while the mother was being purified) The mother's extra time with the daughter would also allow for her bonding.

Spiritual, to be 'Spiritualy clean' means to be as perfect as possible and to be ready to devote one's self to God and the law. To be put side was not a punishment, but a break from the rigors of OT Jewish life.

Here are some options that aren’t dodging the question. 1) God is a dick 2) The people who wrote this story lived in a different time, where many were misogynistic. They were putting words in their version of god’s mouth, probably in order to keep others around them in line with how they wanted things to be.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
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RE: Oh, You Talk to God, That’s Cool! I Need Some Answers
(August 19, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: I’ve heard many claims of god, by you, and others, and haven’t come across one as of yet.
What makes you think God has to speak to you the way He speaks to me? God gives us exactly what we need to start and maintain our faith. Why would He approach you with what I need, or what someone else needs? unless you are the exact same person? No what we must do is learn who God is by Asking and Seeking, and over time (knocking) will be able to identify God in our daily lives.

Quote:You’re right, not everyone wants to worship the god of the bible, because they don’t believe in it at all.
The why is nothing more than a confirmation bias at work, as your example shows. You don't want to worship therefore you seek a reason.

Quote: Do you want to worship the gods of Hindu? No, you say? Interesting, I’m sure some are saying your exact argument about you right now. Again, why wouldn’t god want to steer them in the correct direction?
See perfect example of a confirmation bias at work.

Quote:I don’t understand that answer.
Let's say you ask God for the Holy Spirit as Luke 11 states. Then you receive Him and start to exhibit signs of the Spirit/Fruit. To which you are faith and later exhibit Spiritual gifts. Abilities far beyond your own efforts to manifest them. for a list google spiritual gifts and Fruit of the Spirit.

Quote:That's not how prayer works in Christianity nor in Islam.
Prayer in Islam is a form of worship, meaning the purpose is only to give their God glory.
http://islam.about.com/od/prayer/ht/pray.htm


Quote:What makes you think God does answer their prayers? God is not the only being out their answering 'prayers.'

Quote:This should cover some of your other responses as well. There are stories in other religions that god does answer their prayers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer In Germanic paganism, god answers their prayers, as well as others.
wiki says they have no such page with that specific title.
Besides you specific mentioned Islam and Judism. Before you red herring in some exception clause you need to concede that the two religions you mentioned do not offer a relationship between the average believer and their God.
Quote:My next line in the last post will tell you. “A few thousand years ago, god cared so much when people didn’t worship him, that he commanded Moses to massacre people that didn’t worship the correct version of him, but in present-day reality, he longer does that. Why did the unchanging god change his strategy from massacring people, to doing absolutely nothing?”
and my next line explains that in the bible itself God's plan was not to have only one religion but to preserve the line/linage of Christ.

Quote:You’d think you’d see christians massacring other religions because of their god telling them to do so, if your book was true, which would lead to one religion.
Show me book chapter and verse where God commands that Christians kill anyone. If you can't know that is not a mandate of God or the religion.

Quote:Quote:
If you actually talked to god, you’d be able to put forth a cogent justification for your god, and who knows.. MAYBE, actually provide proof of its existence. You’d think that your amazingly intelligent god would actually make you smarter, and not cause you to constantly spew fallacious bullshit, by trying to shift the burden of proof on others as your argument.

Who are you speak about? do you have examples?

Quote:Just read all of your dodges. How about your attempt at answering the straightforward question about why women are unclean for double the amount of time depending on if they give birth to a boy or a girl?
ROFLOL I love it when you guys identify a 'dodge' as a sound biblically based answer that seamlessly combines the culture of that time what the bible actually says with out changing a word, and good olde fashion common sense as a 'dodge.'

Do you know why I like that so much? because it means you don't have any way of responding to the answer that you thought would stump me, other than a very vain attempt at a broad brush dismissal that does not speak to any of the points I brought up.

Quote:And, if you don’t get any responses…. ? What is a logical human being supposed to assume?
Well, if you did it right, you would have come across the parable of the wise and foolish builder that tells you what you should do, and exactly why your effort failed in the first place.

Quote:I’m guessing, by your definition of mini-miracles, I have about the same amount each week, and why would god bless me with those if I don't believe in him, pray, or any other related activities to that?
So by my definition (which includes an AIDS and A Cancer diagnosis, and subsequent withdrawal of said diagnosis, a couple patents, thriving business that now branches into several different fields, and a ton of other stuff/experiences that I have shared here as well) you have experienced these things too with out God? that's great, but what about direct communication? wouldn't that be considered a mirical as well? After all in Luke 11 you are A/S/K for the Holy spirit a gift Christ promises to anyone who does these things.. How can one receive the Holy Spirit and not be in direct communication with God?


Quote:I agree that I was talking to myself, or just thinking my thoughts were god’s voice… And, how loving of him.

-Regarding your response to the Lev 12:1-5 bible verse. You completely dodged my question. Why does god consider women to be unclean for twice as long if she gives birth to a girl instead of a boy?

This doesn’t answer anything
[quote]
The reason given can be classified under three different catagories.
Biological
Social
Spiritual

Biological, none that I am aware.

Social, Males needed to bond with the Father ASAP, so the Father would identify and accept his son. The same with the Mother. (the Father would care for the son while the mother was being purified) The mother's extra time with the daughter would also allow for her bonding.

Spiritual, to be 'Spiritualy clean' means to be as perfect as possible and to be ready to devote one's self to God and the law. To be put side was not a punishment, but a break from the rigors of OT Jewish life.

look at the bold sport, to be considered 'unclean' was a trip away from the riggors of OT jewish life. It was not a punishment it was a break from what amounts to a harsh life of service to the family for a woman. The above does answer your question you just can't admit it. Your mind will not allow you to get past a lable you empower with a negative tag. I have identified that tag as being misreprsenitive of the meaning of that term.

Quote:Here are some options that aren’t dodging the question. 1) God is a dick 2) The people who wrote this story lived in a different time, where many were misogynistic. They were putting words in their version of god’s mouth, probably in order to keep others around them in line with how they wanted things to be.
The above are biased answers to a small minded person who truly wants no knowledge of the time, the people or God. Only the opertunity to poo poo on what he has closed his mind to.
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