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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 12:59 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Divinity Wrote: If the Christian Bible were to turn out to be true, we'd all be in some big fucking trouble no matter who won.
On one side we have a megalomaniac who at will wipes out as many people as he feels like on any given day. If we don't believe in him or follow his rules, he throws us into a lake of fire. This is the one who supposedly loves us.
On the other side we have a guy who wants to just throw ALL of us into the lake of fire and return to heaven himself.
So we'd be pretty fucked either way.
Actually Satan is more good than god is considering.. so yeah the more you know i suppose.
The other thing to is hell is not canon to the bible it was thrown in there along with jesus at last editions to the already copy pasted material that is
stolen from other mythologies.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 1:29 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Divinity Wrote: If the Christian Bible were to turn out to be true, we'd all be in some big fucking trouble no matter who won.
On one side we have a megalomaniac who at will wipes out as many people as he feels like on any given day. If we don't believe in him or follow his rules, he throws us into a lake of fire. This is the one who supposedly loves us.
On the other side we have a guy who wants to just throw ALL of us into the lake of fire and return to heaven himself.
So we'd be pretty fucked either way. Where does it say Satan would want to throw us all into a lake of fire? That fire was Yahweh's idea, and Satan is one of his victims. He'd probably shut it down and let everyone do what they want. Because he's anti dictator. He managed to convice a third of the population of heaven that something was wrong with their Dear Leader, and the rest of the bible pretty much proves him right.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 1:34 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (August 25, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Divinity Wrote: If the Christian Bible were to turn out to be true, we'd all be in some big fucking trouble no matter who won.
On one side we have a megalomaniac who at will wipes out as many people as he feels like on any given day. If we don't believe in him or follow his rules, he throws us into a lake of fire. This is the one who supposedly loves us.
On the other side we have a guy who wants to just throw ALL of us into the lake of fire and return to heaven himself.
So we'd be pretty fucked either way. Where does it say Satan would want to throw us all into a lake of fire? That fire was Yahweh's idea, and Satan is one of his victims. He'd probably shut it down and let everyone do what they want. Because he's anti dictator. He managed to convice a third of the population of heaven that something was wrong with their Dear Leader, and the rest of the bible pretty much proves him right.
Satan a hero everyone needs but is too afraid to want. Because Satan in the bible cares about about humans that yaweh does after all he even told jesus don't die and told jesus he needed to eat. So yeah Satan not a bad guy he is just misunderstood if anything.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 1:50 pm
The problem with Satan is that no matter how evil he is, it's hard to think of a worse scenario than what you already have. the best is the idea that everyone will be thrown into hell, instead of merely being enslaved and possibly lobotomized. Despite that the hell idea is Yahweh's. Not Satan's.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 2:20 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Chad32 Wrote: The problem with Satan is that no matter how evil he is, it's hard to think of a worse scenario than what you already have. the best is the idea that everyone will be thrown into hell, instead of merely being enslaved and possibly lobotomized. Despite that the hell idea is Yahweh's. Not Satan's.
I mean it's hard to think of satan as being evil though considering he in the bible is called evil. He is the one after all who knew how fucked up yaweh is.
That and you know god and even jesus lies in the bible it's just that who would trust more a guy who killed people flooding the world have obvious mental issues
or a guy that is called evil and only did 1 evil thing compared to the other evil things the first guy did. And people choose the guy with the mental issues
who does tons of evil stuff because he keeps saying he is good.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 2:56 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Where does it say Satan would want to throw us all into a lake of fire? That fire was Yahweh's idea, and Satan is one of his victims. He'd probably shut it down and let everyone do what they want. Because he's anti dictator. He managed to convice a third of the population of heaven that something was wrong with their Dear Leader, and the rest of the bible pretty much proves him right.
I'm not sure he's 'anti-dictator'. You have the Five I Wills of Satan in the bible that suggest that this character wants to be worshiped by all. Again assuming that the Christian Bible is true -- Jesus describes Satan as a killer who cannot tolerate the truth. Considering that Yahweh is not considered a killer and kills as many people as he does and created a pit of fire, I can't imagine if the Christian Bible is true (which we are doing for the sake of this hypothetical) that Satan is such a good guy either.
Especially going by Job.
God: Look at Job. Isn't he fucking awesome? Won't do anything wrong.
Satan: Well no shit. You're protecting him. Bet if you were an asshole to him, he'd curse you!
God: Fine, do to him what you want. I'm all out of fucks to give. Just one rule though. Don't hurt Job.
Satan: Cool. I'm gonna kill all his kids, and servants and animals.
God: Sure. Go ahead. I like a good test as much as the next deity.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 3:15 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 2:56 pm)Divinity Wrote: (August 25, 2015 at 1:29 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Where does it say Satan would want to throw us all into a lake of fire? That fire was Yahweh's idea, and Satan is one of his victims. He'd probably shut it down and let everyone do what they want. Because he's anti dictator. He managed to convice a third of the population of heaven that something was wrong with their Dear Leader, and the rest of the bible pretty much proves him right.
I'm not sure he's 'anti-dictator'. You have the Five I Wills of Satan in the bible that suggest that this character wants to be worshiped by all. Again assuming that the Christian Bible is true -- Jesus describes Satan as a killer who cannot tolerate the truth. Considering that Yahweh is not considered a killer and kills as many people as he does and created a pit of fire, I can't imagine if the Christian Bible is true (which we are doing for the sake of this hypothetical) that Satan is such a good guy either.
Especially going by Job.
God: Look at Job. Isn't he fucking awesome? Won't do anything wrong.
Satan: Well no shit. You're protecting him. Bet if you were an asshole to him, he'd curse you!
God: Fine, do to him what you want. I'm all out of fucks to give. Just one rule though. Don't hurt Job.
Satan: Cool. I'm gonna kill all his kids, and servants and animals.
God: Sure. Go ahead. I like a good test as much as the next deity.
1. Name one part of the bible the christian and catholic bible that Satan want's to be worshipped.
2. god and jesus have lied ill be technical on this Satan only killed 10 people because god made him do it - job.
3. Irony fire.. but in all seriousness god is more of a murderer than Satan.
4. Satan is more of a good guy here is why. He taught humans how to think for themselves (adam and eve some people think it was just a serpent or what ever), Taught us to wear clothes , knowledge of good and evil <-(this bit is the reason why god is so angry), This is why gods commandments seem disgusting and immoral. So who is the evil one really it is plain black and white and obvious just no christian really picked up on it unless its pointed out.
kill count
god - 2.3 million
Satan chan - 10 peoople
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 8:58 pm
(August 25, 2015 at 9:59 am)Godschild Wrote: (August 24, 2015 at 11:43 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Why would god need to give him a chance if god already knows the outcome? That would be like me giving you the chance to bet on the success rate of the Titanic so I can say later on "See I let you have a chance".
Either your god doesn't know the future or is incredibly stupid.
God knows the future, Satan doesn't, when Satan comes before God to claim he wasn't given a fair chance (as if he deserved one) God will show him that the sin he started ran it's coarse and love over came and won. Satan then will have no defense and all of creation will see his great deception and those who fail for it will be in great regret. As far as the Titanic goes I know what happened and like I said Satan doesn't know the future, your analogy of me knowing the past and Satan knowing the future is a complete fail.
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You're reading comprehension is a failure for sure, Lets try again.
Bobo the magic fish Knows the future
Bobo the magic fish should know that Satan will do evil shit
Bobo the magic fish lets him because....?
Why does god need to show his mortal enemy anything? Again by your statements he knows everything that is going to happen, nothing can be a surprise to him , Nothing, Nada and yet somehow the Devil keeps being the Joker to his Batman, How is that?
How has Bobo the magic fish let things get so bad? Shit, Why is he helpless to stop it? Did the devil use some sort of Magic the gathering barrier spell?
For ,everyone else, This is why the OMNI concept has been totally abandoned (mostly)by modern Christian apologists, They KNOW it's an enormous panadora's box of fallacies.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 25, 2015 at 9:04 pm
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Given that most of the population on the planet is going to hell, i'd say that Satan did a pretty good job at showing Yahweh isn't very good at getting what he wants. Assuming he wanted all of his creation to worship him.
Yes Satan killed Job's children. Yahweh also didn't bring them back to life like everything else. Maybe Satan thought he would do that too. I don't know. That story makes Yahweh out to be pretty psychotic. Letting his most loyal follower be tortured just to see if the worship was sincere. Because destroying the trust in your relationship is worth making sure your follower remains obedient.
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RE: What if Satan won?
August 26, 2015 at 7:46 am
(August 25, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Given that most of the population on the planet is going to hell, i'd say that Satan did a pretty good job at showing Yahweh isn't very good at getting what he wants. Assuming he wanted all of his creation to worship him.
Yes Satan killed Job's children. Yahweh also didn't bring them back to life like everything else. Maybe Satan thought he would do that too. I don't know. That story makes Yahweh out to be pretty psychotic. Letting his most loyal follower be tortured just to see if the worship was sincere. Because destroying the trust in your relationship is worth making sure your follower remains obedient.
This good point is rendered moot because godschild has already said god knows everything that will happen in the future, There can be no "lets see what happens" it makes the whole bet between them useless.
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