Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love

[Drich]

The problem with Drich's train analogy is that we aren't paying passengers who knowingly, willingly boarded the hell-bound train.  It's more like we were shoved into the cattle car (born) on its way to Auschwitz (Hell).  And the words that greet us as we near the destination are not the Nazi lie that work will make us free; they are the Christian lie that faith and the proper set of beliefs (not works) will make us free.  They attribute this lie to their god, insist that it is the bedrock truth of the universe, and dare to call it love.

Again we were all born live and will die on this train. In that way The train becomes the model of existence. the reason the analogy works is because a train can only go where the train tracks lead. in the analogy the tracks/our lives automatically lead to hell.

[Drich]

very simply put, We are all destined to Hell. we are all born live and die on a train that is heading to Hell with no other planned stops. The Love God offers, provides those who want off that train a way to get off of it.

How very convenient.

Convenient, or the truth of the matter.

[The Grand Nudger]

What makes you think we were all made by God?

God made Adam perfectly. From Adam produced Eve. Everyone else is a copy of a copy. We are 'seeds' or the fruit of the original plant. That said in the parable of the sower we are told not all the seeds/plants growing in the field were the 'seeds' the master has sown. An enemy has also sown weeds in with the good seed to disrupt the Master's harvest. That is why Jesus told to many parables about separating the wheat, and the weeds, the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats, ect..

What makes -you- think that...as you clearly do, by recitation of the little fable above.  I keep trying to tell you that I'm no child of Adam, don't I?

[Faith No More]

Yup, that's how serious this god business is to believers, they start confusing it with tired television shows.  You'd think they might put two and two together, realizing that both are equally fictitious......

What's also interesting is how god is beholden to the same laws as his other fictional counterparts. The sin virus is so strong that even the magical wizard that created the universe can only cleanse it by sending you on a train to hell.

And there's not even character consistency. Creation ex nihilo is no problem, but there's only one specific way he can cleanse sin.

[Drich]

Oscar shindler comes to mind.

Inform yourself on Oskar Schindler, since you can't even spell his name right. He was a role model of a decent person and is rightfully considered as Righteous Among the Nations by the jews. A flawed person, yes, but decent where it really mattered.

That is EXACTLY MY POINT!

He was Decent when you compare him to other Nazis, but if you look at what He actually did (not talking about the movie) and compare that to the 'decent employers' of today He would easily be considered a monster. Know it or not like it or not his company's labor needs Had the Nazis pull people out of their homes and force them to work as chattle slaves till they died, or could not work any more where upon they were executed. Bottom line he still lobbied, owned, kept, and work slaves to their deaths all the while collecting money for the products the slaves made..

What sets him apart is when he received his final death orders, he made a great effort to save them.

One good deed does not mean you did not do a whole lot of bad before or after you got to your good deed.

[Crossless2.0]

The problem with Drich's train analogy is that we aren't paying passengers who knowingly, willingly boarded the hell-bound train.  It's more like we were shoved into the cattle car (born) on its way to Auschwitz (Hell).  And the words that greet us as we near the destination are not the Nazi lie that work will make us free; they are the Christian lie that faith and the proper set of beliefs (not works) will make us free.  They attribute this lie to their god, insist that it is the bedrock truth of the universe, and dare to call it love.

Again we were all born live and will die on this train. In that way The train becomes the model of existence. the reason the analogy works is because a train can only go where the train tracks lead. in the analogy the tracks/our lives automatically lead to hell.

Someone surveys the land, lays the tracks, and determines the destination of the line.  It certainly can't be the ones born on the train.

[Drich]

What makes you think we were all made by God?

God made Adam perfectly. From Adam produced Eve. Everyone else is a copy of a copy. We are 'seeds' or the fruit of the original plant. That said in the parable of the sower we are told not all the seeds/plants growing in the field were the 'seeds' the master has sown. An enemy has also sown weeds in with the good seed to disrupt the Master's harvest. That is why Jesus told to many parables about separating the wheat, and the weeds, the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats, ect..

What makes -you- think that...as you clearly do, by recitation of the little fable above.  I keep trying to tell you that I'm no child of Adam, don't I?

What Makes YOU think I was speaking to you? I clearly was speaking to c3p0 or ever his name is. If your ever confused about who I am addressing I tend to quote the person I am speaking to.

That said I have no problem identifying you as a child of monkey-man

[abaris]

He was Decent when you compare him to other Nazis, but if you look at what He actually did (not talking about the movie) and compare that to the 'decent employers' of today He would easily be considered a monster. Know it or not like it or not his company's labor needs Had the Nazis pull people out of their homes and force them to work as chattle slaves till they died, or could not work any more where upon they were executed. Bottom line he still lobbied, owned, kept, and work slaves to their deaths all the while collecting money for the products the slaves made..

What sets him apart is when he received his final death orders, he made a great effort to save them.

One good deed does not mean you did not do a whole lot of bad before or after you got to your good deed.

As I said, inform yourself. And I don't mean the movie. There are books and oral accounts of the survivors to look at. There's also a reason why he's called Righteous among the nations and why his grave is in Jerusalem. He wasn't decent compared to other Nazis. He was decent, plain and simple, because he protected more than a thousand people from certain death.

I for one tend to respect deeds more than words, if you get my drift.

[Drich]

Again we were all born live and will die on this train. In that way The train becomes the model of existence. the reason the analogy works is because a train can only go where the train tracks lead. in the analogy the tracks/our lives automatically lead to hell.

Someone surveys the land, lays the tracks, and determines the destination of the line.  It certainly can't be the ones born on the train.

God does all of that, so what else you go sport?

[The Grand Nudger]

Finally, definitive words on whether or not I belong to that horrid little family of yours.  So, this word you keep using, "we", probably ought to stop.  You sure C3 is a child of adam...after all, it's 50/50 now, with you and I as the two confirmed control examples.  Maybe you should ask? Maybe......you're the only one left......... Look out for Z sole survivor!