But equally simply put, being a good and decent person isn't enough to get off the train. It isn't even the main requirement, at least for your kind of denomination. Divine bootlicking is.
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Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
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August 26, 2015 at 10:05 am
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2015 at 10:06 am by c172.)
OK, but doesn't the first part of that mean we were all made imperfectly? God kinda...well...screwed up. ETA: oops, ninjaed
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
The core message of the Christian Church is simply: You are broken. You must be fixed.
How else could they scam millions of dollars out of people who believe in the existence of a god? 
The problem with Drich's train analogy is that we aren't paying passengers who knowingly, willingly boarded the hell-bound train. It's more like we were shoved into the cattle car (born) on its way to Auschwitz (Hell). And the words that greet us as we near the destination are not the Nazi lie that work will make us free; they are the Christian lie that faith and the proper set of beliefs (not works) will make us free. They attribute this lie to their god, insist that it is the bedrock truth of the universe, and dare to call it love.
 (August 26, 2015 at 9:43 am)Drich Wrote:(August 26, 2015 at 6:03 am)Imaginos7 Wrote: The message of Christianity is basically that God/Jesus wants you to believe, love and worship him, and if you don't do it he'll send you to hell to be tortured for eternity. How very convenient.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
 (August 26, 2015 at 9:56 am)abaris Wrote: But equally simply put, being a good and decent person isn't enough to get off the train. It isn't even the main requirement, at least for your kind of denomination. Divine bootlicking is. By what measure are you using to define 'decent person?' 'decent person' is a sliding scale, that means one is only better than the worst among your social group. Or borrowing from my Zombie metaphore the 'decent' are those who have the virus, but have not 'turned.' Their were 'decent' prision camp Nazis. Oscar shindler comes to mind. Their are 'decent' members of ISIS, or so would say their mothers. The word 'decent' can mean anything, it is not a set or absolute standard. Our works or ability to be decent (good bad or indifferent) is that train headed to Hell. Why because everything has been infected with sin/Zombie virus that is on that train. Which the only way to be rid of it is either hell fire, or the cure Jesus offers in the way of atonement. You may want to say Because you have not 'turned' (into a zombie) or because you feel fine you do not need the shot or series of shots to cure you of this virus. Bottom line though, if you are on the train your already infected, and the only way off is either to be rid of the virus through hell fire or though the cure Jesus offers. Someone like the OP may say 'that's not love' and to a degree they are right. That is not love for the infected, but at the same time why should their be love for the infected if the refuse the cure? Where would the love be, if God allowed the 'unturned' infected to mingle with the cured/saved? It is only a matter of time before the infected turn, and when we are with God on the other side, we will have nothing but an abundance of time. In essence God will have placed a ticking time bomb among those who love Him with all they have been given. It's already happened once with Lucifer and a 1/3 of the population of angels. Time allowed the sin virus to fester in their systems, which 'turned' angelic being into demons. RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
August 26, 2015 at 11:28 am
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2015 at 11:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Yup, that's how serious this god business is to believers, they start confusing it with tired television shows. You'd think they might put two and two together, realizing that both are equally fictitious......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (August 26, 2015 at 11:25 am)Drich Wrote: Oscar shindler comes to mind. Inform yourself on Oskar Schindler, since you can't even spell his name right. He was a role model of a decent person and is rightfully considered as Righteous Among the Nations by the jews. A flawed person, yes, but decent where it really mattered.
(August 26, 2015 at 10:05 am)c172 Wrote: OK, but doesn't the first part of that mean we were all made imperfectly? God kinda...well...screwed up. ETA: oops, ninjaed What makes you think we were all made by God? God made Adam perfectly. From Adam produced Eve. Everyone else is a copy of a copy. We are 'seeds' or the fruit of the original plant. That said in the parable of the sower we are told not all the seeds/plants growing in the field were the 'seeds' the master has sown. An enemy has also sown weeds in with the good seed to disrupt the Master's harvest. That is why Jesus told to many parables about separating the wheat, and the weeds, the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats, ect..  RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
August 26, 2015 at 11:38 am
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(August 26, 2015 at 9:43 am)Drich Wrote: very simply put, We are all destined to Hell. we are all born live and die on a train that is heading to Hell with no other planned stops. The Love God offers, provides those who want off that train a way to get off of it. Except that he created that train heading to hell and put us on it. Then he offers to let us off if we just love him. That's the textbook definition of an abusive relationship.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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