The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy

[Lemonvariable72]

Rob, they do that, but they think of more divisions within the muslim religion...

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@lemmon, of course that, as long as they're not settled, many more than 20% will be angry at the "host" countries.
Once they are settled... I don't know.. depends on how they are arranged, I guess. If in ghettos, then yeah, for sure... things will be stupidly difficult to control.
If the people with the money decide to spread them around so that only a handful of muslim families stay in a given town, then I'd wager that they will integrate into the community.

The 20% islamists sounds too much. If they are islamists, they would have remained in Syria, doing their jobs there. Some, indeed may attempt to come to Europe - that's why the borders are closing, to try to ID these guys and keep them in check. They should be a small minority... and, if the majority get settled in separate places these islamists will have a hard time recruiting and spewing their speech of hatred.

Well irregardless of religion there are some huge hurdles here like : how many speak the language of the country they're in? Do they have a valid high school education? Are they skilled? If so are they qualified in said country?
If your gonna let them in you have to do a few things. First off a sworn statement they will not hard won western liberties, then you need to work on getting them in good housing and working asap. I would suggest a program that will put them a few at a place in existing real estate, giving them German neighbors while places with a few other refugee family's nearby. Then you start German immersion classes and give them a high school education and run various upgrade programs for the skilled labours. Also make sure that the state benefits aren't going to last forever and make it clear they will have to earn their keep like everyone else.

[pocaracas]

History has shown that the majority of muslim communities in the west are not integrated, and this trend doesn't seem to be changing. That's the main problem for me.

If every fucker was here for a better life and seemed grateful for being here, I wouldn't really take much of an issue with what's happening right now. But a lot of these 'migrants' seem to think they've got a god given right to come and use European healthcare, UK healthcare, and social care, and all these other benefits. The PC crowd fucking hate someone bringing it up, but it's something that is seriously fucking off a hell of a lot of European people. A Somalian with 7 kids can get housed by the council with a click of the fingers but someone who's been on the waiting list for 10+ years, and is effectively homeless, doesn't get a foot in.

Migrants is one thing... those may end up in their ghettos... They can afford to live in a like-minded community.

Refugees, on the other hand, should follow the directives imposed by the host state. And those directives should be for them to spread out.

And I think it's reasonable to assume at least a few of these migrants may have connections with ISIS, and those who try to play down this threat are fucking deluded.

Yes, of course...
That's why they must all be registered and searched for weapons or something...

ISIS SMUGGLER: 'WE WILL USE REFUGEE CRISIS TO INFILTRATE WEST'
4,000 covert terrorists already in place 'awaiting' orders

We know ISIS is dedicated to the destruction of western civilisation and has already killed European citizens, and already planned attacks on European soil, and flat out shout from the rooftops that THEY ARE COMING OVER HERE, but we see all these people coming from the exact region ISIS operates in and yet somehow I'm the bad guy if I say "um, maybe not everyone is a refugee", or "maybe we should have better control over European borders", or "maybe we should just exercise a bit of damn caution when inviting 20,000 unidentifiable people into the country".  

I'm also annoyed by the misuse of words in this whole thing. Notice how people interchangeably use the word 'migrant' and 'refugee'. Genuine refugees, I am happy for the UK to do their fair share and take some of them in. Regular, economic migrants don't get such an entitlement though, and if they're coming here they should come under some level of inspection and assessment instead of the open arm approach that Europe is being guilt tripped into currently. And I'm annoyed once more by the shaming for anyone who voices displeasure about these 'migrants' who come in on boats, or that come in via 'people smuggling'. You need upwards of 3k to get on one of those boats, or in league with these smugglers according to media reports and you also have the choice to do it, regardless of what anyone says. IMO the UK has enough poor and homeless people of our own, that we don't really have a responsibility to take in thousands of people who all come from a culture that is diametrically opposed to western society, and bring them into a country that is supposedly going through economic strain and that can barely cope with it's current healthcare system as it is. Let's open the fucking borders and let every fucker and his dog in because it's the human thing to do?

Yeah, it doesn't really help the problem. So all the people crying for 'humanity', where are you all of the rest of the time?  

Watch the following.

I couldn't care less about the rest of the world.
Right now, there are tens of thousands of people moving through Europe. They're here, already. And we have to do something about them.
What?
Refugee status?, spread them around so they don't end up in ghettos?
Let them pick and choose where to settle?
Leave them in refugee camps?
Build cheap houses for them?
Get jobs for them all? We can't even get jobs for our ~20% unemployed!!
Shoot them all and bury them in ditches?
Keep them in crappy conditions until most get way sick with preventable diseases... and die?

The 20% islamists sounds too much. If they are islamists, they would have remained in Syria, doing their jobs there.

No, not really. They obviously want to attack European culture. They've told us as much. Makes perfect sense that they'd use this opportunity to get into European countries and attack.

Some, indeed may attempt to come to Europe - that's why the borders are closing, to try to ID these guys and keep them in check.

Yeah and they should close the effing border if you ask me. It's getting beyond a joke. The entirety of Kent was basically in shutdown because of all the migrants coming in from Calais.

The worst thing Europe did was opening up the borders IMO. All that happens is every other country in Europe lets migrants make their way to Calais and then they dump it on the UK like it's our problem.

Or better yet, it's "Europe's problem". God am I sick of hearing this line.

/endrant

If you were from Syria and were going into Europe to find a better place to live, away from the war and death and destruction.... where would you like to go to? Italy? Greece? Portugal? Sweden? Switzerland? Austria? Germany? Poland? France? Norway? Denmark?
Do remember that english is the most common second language that people learn.

[pocaracas]

Rob, they do that, but they think of more divisions within the muslim religion...

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@lemmon, of course that, as long as they're not settled, many more than 20% will be angry at the "host" countries.
Once they are settled... I don't know.. depends on how they are arranged, I guess. If in ghettos, then yeah, for sure... things will be stupidly difficult to control.
If the people with the money decide to spread them around so that only a handful of muslim families stay in a given town, then I'd wager that they will integrate into the community.

The 20% islamists sounds too much. If they are islamists, they would have remained in Syria, doing their jobs there. Some, indeed may attempt to come to Europe - that's why the borders are closing, to try to ID these guys and keep them in check. They should be a small minority... and, if the majority get settled in separate places these islamists will have a hard time recruiting and spewing their speech of hatred.

Well irregardless of religion there are some huge hurdles here like : how many speak the language of the country they're in? Do they have a valid high school education? Are they skilled? If so are they qualified in said country?
If your gonna let them in you have to do a few things. First off a sworn statement they will not hard won western liberties, then you need to work on getting them in good housing and working asap. I would suggest a program that will put them a few at a place in existing real estate, giving them German neighbors while places with a few other refugee family's nearby. Then you start German immersion classes and give them a high school education and run various upgrade programs for the skilled labours. Also make sure that the state benefits aren't going to last forever and make it clear they will have to earn their keep like everyone else.

I agree with all...
I'd go further and make it known that one single misdemeanor within the first 5 years and you're accompanied to the border and left on the other side, marked as persona non grata to never be admitted back in the country.

[pocaracas]

Right. But why do they have to still call it Islam?

If it was me, I'd want nothing to do with the "brand name" at all. I'd just do my own search for truth, so as not to be propping up a particular demented cult.

While they cling to the name and they spread the oral myths about the book somehow being magical, they propagate the problem. They edit the book in their head, but not in reality. If all their beliefs basically contradict what it says in the book, what are they still doing with it?

Naive again, I know. It's all so clear from outside the bubble.

It is clear...
But think of christians...
You have catholics, presbyterians, southern baptists, orthodox, etc, etc, etc, etc. They all claim that the others have it a bit wrong and... most([citation needed]) will say the others will go to hell.
One group will see the remaining groups as in the wrong, but they are also following some of the teachings of the overarching religion - islam, christianity...

"If the group that is in the wrong is the one that's doing all this destruction, then that group is really wrong and destined to hell. My group is still right."

[Lemonvariable72]

Well irregardless of religion there are some huge hurdles here like : how many speak the language of the country they're in? Do they have a valid high school education? Are they skilled? If so are they qualified in said country?
If your gonna let them in you have to do a few things. First off a sworn statement they will not hard won western liberties, then you need to work on getting them in good housing and working asap. I would suggest a program that will put them a few at a place in existing real estate, giving them German neighbors while places with a few other refugee family's nearby. Then you start German immersion classes and give them a high school education and run various upgrade programs for the skilled labours. Also make sure that the state benefits aren't going to last forever and make it clear they will have to earn their keep like everyone else.

I agree with all...
I'd go further and make it known that one single misdemeanor within the first 5 years and you're accompanied to the border and left on the other side, marked as persona non grata to never be admitted back in the country.

If they are over 18 yes. Don't want it too happen because a five year old stole a bar.

[Losty]

irregardless

[Lemonvariable72]

irregardless

What is that supposed to mean?

[Bad Wolf]

irregardless isn't a word.

[Losty]

It technically is a word, as it's been used incorrectly so much that it's been added to most dictionaries. It just...I die a little inside everytime someone uses it. The prefix 'ir' has a reversing effect on the meaning of a word.

Regardless means without regard or consideration for something.

So irregardless should mean with regard or consideration for something.

[Lemonvariable72]

It technically is a word, as it's been used incorrectly so much that it's been added to most dictionaries. It just...I die a little inside everytime someone uses it. The prefix 'ir' has a reversing effect on the meaning of a word.

Regardless means without regard or consideration for something.

So irregardless should mean with regard or consideration for something.

Okay. And that simple mistake has to do with the rest of the post how?