Saint Peter's Bones

[vorlon13]

How many prepuces did he have ?

[vorlon13]

{I make the damnedest posts here, don't I?}

[Minimalist]

Good that someone does.

Meanwhile, let's look at the original Panzer Pope.

http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1272467.ece

Writing in the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, Pacelli declared the Reichskonkordat a triumph for the Code of Canon Law. The subtext was that Hitler had accepted the imposition of the new Code on German Catholics, hence the shift of governing authority from the local Church to the Vatican. For Hitler, speaking in cabinet, the treaty meant the “recognition of the nationalist German state” by the Vatican, as well as withdrawal of the Church from political organizations, and the disbanding of the Centre Party. Finally, and ominously, Hitler declared that the treaty created a “sense of confidence” that would be “especially significant in the urgent struggle against international Jewry”. Pacelli was not anti-Semitic in the Nazi sense; yet he had accepted on behalf of Pius XI educational benefits from a regime that was simultaneously depriving Jews of corresponding rights and resources. The circumstance signalled an acquiescence in Hitler’s anti-Semitic policies at the origins of the persecution of Jews in Germany.

So he was either a dupe or a nazi sympathizer but the most realistic conclusion was that all he gave a shit about was church rights and property and didn't give a fuck what Hitler did elsewhere.

Fuck him and all popes.

[Randy Carson]

Nice to see you're back, Randy.

And how would you go about proving these to be the bones of Saint Peter? Is there any kind of Peter DNA analysis I'm not aware of?

And no, I'm not looking up what John Evangelist Walsh wrote in 1982. That's a lot of water under the bridge since then. And the name hints at just a little bit of bias. There were up to 18 prepuces attributed to Jesus. So either Jesus had a prick to make an elephant proud or the whole relique business is just what it looks like - a lucrative way to rip people off.

The bones cannot be proven to be those of Peter any more than the Shroud of Turin can be proven to be the burial cloth of Jesus.

However, it is an odd coincidence, isn't it? A tomb is found under the main altar of the Church that replaced the Basilica originally built by Constantine, and a bit of graffiti stating "Peter is here" is found on the wall just outside the niche where the bones of a rugged 70-year old man are found. Extraordinary.

Still, it is a pity that the Catholic Church waited almost 2,000 years before rolling this relic out...and is limiting the number of visitors who are permitted to tour the necropolis.

If it's all about money as you suggest, a great opportunity has been squandered.

[vorlon13]

I find Scripture sufficient to disprove the Shroud of Turin.

Really.  The S of T isn't as described in the Bibble.  

[Minimalist]

However, it is an odd coincidence, isn't it?

Catholic thieves stole Vatican Hill from the Sol Invictus crowd who in turn had stolen it from the devotees of Cybele.  What can I say?  The site is cursed to be made worthless by religious shits.  Eventually if Europe doesn't get its act together the muslims will be building mosques on it.

[Randy Carson]

I find Scripture sufficient to disprove the Shroud of Turin.

Really.  The S of T isn't as described in the Bibble.  

John 20:3-8
3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen. 8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.

[vorlon13]

Bingo.

How could a Christer ever be fooled by the S of T ??

[Jenny A]

I don't know enough about St. Peter's bones to opine. But anyone who bothers to look at the proportions of the body depicted on the shroud of Turin knows it's a fake. No real person has those proportions, but art made at the time it first surfaced did. Surely if Jesus were monstrously out of proportion to the extent of being a freak of nature, someone would have mentioned it? It's not even as if it's a genetic defect commonly found or recognized it's not. No one has those proportions. It's as if the shroud first came to light ten or fifteen years ago in Japan and had the huge eyes and bodily proportions of anime cartoons.

Oh---- Welcome back Randy.

[vorlon13]

I don't know enough about St. Peter's bones to opine.  But anyone who bothers to look at the proportions of the body depicted on the shroud of Turin knows it's a fake.  No real person has those proportions, but art made at the time it first surfaced did.  Surely if Jesus were monstrously out of proportion to the extent of being a freak of nature, someone would have mentioned it?  It's not even as if it's a genetic defect commonly found or recognized it's not.  No one has those proportions.  It's as if the shroud first came to light ten or fifteen years ago in Japan and had the huge eyes and bodily proportions of anime cartoons.

Oh---- Welcome back Randy.

You invoked anime, can hentai be far behind ?