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May 5, 2010 at 5:41 am
I completely agree Rwandrall. But, you asserted your conclusion that the key to Christianity is hypocrisy from your limited experience. I was enlightening you to the fact that a lot of Christians I know would not be hypocritical in that situation. My point was that hypocrisy is a human condition, not exclusive to one religios view, another or none at all. You obviously know Jesus' message so how you assume people obviously not following Jesus' teaching would be a good example to draw conclusion on Christianity seems a little skewed, like you were looking for "Bad Christians" to make your points seem more valid.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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May 5, 2010 at 11:55 am
Of course not all Christians are hypocrites.
I just think Christianity, and religion as a whole - seem to have religious 'standards' that often can't be lived up to, and yet they still preach it at other people.
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May 5, 2010 at 1:04 pm
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(May 4, 2010 at 1:56 pm)AtheistPhil Wrote: It's baffling to me that your parents can combine extreme right wing point of view (I guess they're MPF or FN voters...) with catholicism and not see their hypocrisy. Don't they remeber the teachings of Jesus ?
Lets see - Catholicism, far right wing, hypocrisy and teachings of Jesus in the same paragraph.
/starts singing "One of these things is not like the others, one of the things doesn't belooooong 
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May 6, 2010 at 3:20 am
(May 5, 2010 at 11:55 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Of course not all Christians are hypocrites.
I just think Christianity, and religion as a whole - seem to have religious 'standards' that often can't be lived up to, and yet they still preach it at other people.
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Actually the sum of Christianity is contradiction. We start off as sinnners and try to live as good a life as Jesus would have wanted, knowing we'll never attain that. It would be very hypocritical without personal accountability. Our society, I feel, is drifting away from personal accounatbility and that of course bleeds into some religion. I do see the inevtable downfall of religon as an institution as a likely event, I'm just concerned at the cost that has.
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May 6, 2010 at 3:34 pm
(May 6, 2010 at 3:20 am)tackattack Wrote: Actually the sum of Christianity is contradiction. We start off as sinnners and try to live as good a life as Jesus would have wanted, knowing we'll never attain that. It would be very hypocritical without personal accountability. Our society, I feel, is drifting away from personal accounatbility and that of course bleeds into some religion. I do see the inevtable downfall of religon as an institution as a likely event, I'm just concerned at the cost that has. If you are starting off as a sinner because of a distant ancestor eating something she was told not to eat, then where is personal accountability? How are you responsible for someone else's behaviour? Why does Jesus think you are a sinner for something you didn't even do? The result of ending religion's rule over people, will be REAL personal accountability. Little kids won't be held accountable, terrorized with worry they will be tortured eternally for not spending their lives making up for some other person's (who they never even met) table manners (don't eat that dessert yet, young lady!). Priests will be held accountable for aggrevated rape (hell is scarier than a gun or knife).
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May 6, 2010 at 4:37 pm
(May 4, 2010 at 1:16 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Isnt the Church the ONE place on Earth where this guy should not be persecuted, judged by what he looks like and should be helped ? To me this was not much, but it was enough to know that hypocrisy is the key word in Christianity. It disgusted me. That's why the front row seats are always reserved for management from Tesco. Christianity: always looking out for the little people.
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May 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm
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Scented nectar Wrote:If you are starting off as a sinner because of a distant ancestor eating something she was told not to eat, then where is personal accountability? How are you responsible for someone else's behaviour? Why does Jesus think you are a sinner for something you didn't even do? The result of ending religion's rule over people, will be REAL personal accountability. The Adam and Eve story is a metaphor for the reality of what it is to be human. It's you. You're like that. Take some accountability for it. Is the message.
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May 6, 2010 at 6:19 pm
(May 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Scented nectar Wrote:If you are starting off as a sinner because of a distant ancestor eating something she was told not to eat, then where is personal accountability? How are you responsible for someone else's behaviour? Why does Jesus think you are a sinner for something you didn't even do? The result of ending religion's rule over people, will be REAL personal accountability. The Adam and Eve story is a metaphor for the reality of what it is to be human. It's you. You're like that. Take some accountability for it. Is the message.
How do you know it was meant to be a metaphor?
Is it also a metaphor for a God who created us with knowledge of our nature and condemns us for it?
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May 6, 2010 at 7:02 pm
He doesn't condemn us WE condemn us! Didn't you read it!?
1. Because it's plainly obvious?
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May 6, 2010 at 7:14 pm
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(May 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: He doesn't condemn us WE condemn us! That would mean that no one goes to hell unless they want to go. The unrepentant 'sinner' does not get this self choice according to xtianity. It the god who condemns, not the victim of that condemnation. That victim is only given the choice "gimme your wallet or I'll shoot you", but much worse of course, since the wallet is "think and do whatever I tell you for your whole life after this conversation" and the gun is "torture that never stops".
Of course though, the robbery was the victim's own fault. They were asking for it, I guess.
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