A discussion around family table.

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1- Even the skeptics Annotated Bible(SAB) has a list of good things in the Bible. You're not even attempting to comment on them.

That's because you haven't presented them until now. Speaking of which, uh oh, you still haven't presented them, not even with a link to the list, much less a copy and pasting of it. By the way, before you go to the trouble, don't bother unless the good in the list makes the bad genocide/slavery/murder/torture etc, insignificant in comparison. Somehow, being fair in measurements doesn't seem to do it, you know?

3-Good I'm glad you're open to the experience, it doesn't come across in your words to this point, but I'll accept that you are at face value.

I'm always open to evidence of any claim, including a supernatural one, being a real (natural) phenomenon. But, just like any other type of new information presented to me, I'm going to need convincing with evidence, at least enough for a solid indication that the claim might be true. I'm as open to it as you are of my invisible flower fairies. If shown evidence, of course you'd believe it, but until then it's more than reasonable for you to conclude there are no flower fairies.

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1-Can't you see how biased you're being? "Don't even bother".. are you pretending the Bible didn't have any good at all this whole time? You've never seen the SAG to the Bible? Is a word count of how many times Love is in the Bible vs the word kill what you're wanting? That method is ineffectual for concept formation which is a key to reading comprehension.

3- Yes but I wouldn't ridicule you or attack your belief in those faries. If you have subjective experiences and have approached it rationally and logically then I'd assume it's real to you and you're not delusional. I'd probably even come visit to get a look for myself.

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1-Can't you see how biased you're being?

No. I think I'm being quite open to bizarre concepts should any evidence ever appear, such as if a god wanted to meet me. I would be unbiased until I knew for sure what the god's expectations of humans were, and how able it was to enforce or punish based on those expectations. I might then become biased in some way depending on what I heard straight from the horse's mouth.

"Don't even bother".. are you pretending the Bible didn't have any good at all this whole time?

It has a tiny bit of good, the 'don't even bother' is so that you don't have all the quoting work, unless the good stuff is soooo good that it cancels out all the horrible stuff, making it seem insignificant, in which case I'd really like to see it.

You've never seen the SAG to the Bible? Is a word count of how many times Love is in the Bible vs the word kill what you're wanting? That method is ineffectual for concept formation which is a key to reading comprehension.

I think I was at the site once or twice years ago when someone linked to it. Words need the context of sentences, otherwise you don't even know whether it's demanding love or just saying love is nice, etc. Sort of like how sentences sometimes need other sentences for context. Speaking of which, all claims that the bible sentences are being seen by me out of context are still unproven. No one has shown me good contextual sentences that cancel out the bad ones.

3- Yes but I wouldn't ridicule you or attack your belief in those faries.

I hope you would at least a bit, since it is really silly for me to claim they are real and just expect you to accept that unquestioningly. You should let me know clearly that you don't have enough evidence to take such a crazy claim seriously.

If you have subjective experiences and have approached it rationally and logically then I'd assume it's real to you and you're not delusional. I'd probably even come visit to get a look for myself.

And I would fail in my effort to show you anything to do with flower fairies. I could show you the flowers, how full of fairy energy they seem, how obviously fairies are everywhere even if there is nothing to indicate that other than my wish for it to be so. If something that specific is real to me but to no one else, then there is still a good chance that I truly am delusional.

And a little pascal's wager to go with my coffee, if any fairies are listening, please don't punish me by making my flowers wilt. All I did was doubt your existence. And you said you'd never be a prick like some of your competitors that way. What's that? You were joking about all those worship requirements? You had me going, guys, I'm treating you to plant food today, good one!

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Scented Nectar the reason you can say what you wish about God is the freewill He has given mankind. If God were who you claimed Him to be you would surely be toast by now. I know you do not claim God at all however you can not disprove Him and that said if He does exsist then your wrong because you are not toast yet. As far as hell is concerned it is a real place but far different than you think. It's a place where you will be allowed to carry on as you do on this forum, hating God with all your being and never able to love again. This is with out a doubt more awful than anyone can conceive. A burning hell is something one can imagine and probably the worst thing one could imagine as a punishment. Just responding to some of the things you have stated in this discussion and somethings to think about if you wish.

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If I were to make up deities, they would be nice and happy ones, moral, and never harmful or torturey like your god.

Just want to note, so no one is confused, that when I wrote the above, I meant if I were to make up a deity for real, believing it on faith. I'm not referring to my flower fairies and parking lot hell, which I obviously don't believe in.

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Scented Nectar God is not forcing me to love Him it's my choice it's what I want to do. I do go out living life in and with love and I try to live a good moral life and not because I'm commanded to I do this I do this to show others what God has done in and for my life. I try to do the things I should in thanks to God for redeeming this unworthy person. There's no way I can deny Gods love for me because His love cost Him a very high price. I know you do not understand this because you have chosen to disbelieve, that is a privilege God has given us, but your disbelief can not and will not change the fact that God is real. Your disblief does not cancel out my experiences with God. Why is it you believe God would be forcing one believe in Him, just because He gives us choices does not constitute force. Many people make wrong choices in their lives and pay a penalty for that choice and sometimes that penalty is for life and no one forced them to and they knew the consequences for their actions.