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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 11:36 am
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(September 23, 2015 at 11:29 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I am living proof that asses can speak. Otherwise I'd like to see you prove that any of those are impossible unless you'd have to prove the negatives.
While I appreciate the self-reflection, the fact that you want me to prove to you that a person can't live to be 969 speaks volumes about your worldview.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 11:39 am
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Goddammit. Disregard this.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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(September 23, 2015 at 10:51 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 10:00 am)Faith No More Wrote: And you expect people to take you seriously? It's funny how you like to make jabs at how you perceive a naturalist worldview to be philosophically inconsistent, yet you believe in all kinds of wild, impossible nonsense with no evidence. Join the 21st century, Chad, and recognize that reason without empirical evidence is dead and everything you listed there is an impossibility.
(September 23, 2015 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote:
omg, that great. No 'proof' of two indivisuals that died 6000+ years ago
let start by you defining what it is you think 'proof' is of two specific people over the span of 6K years.
Maybe your looking for bones... if you were then I could point out that bones decay in hundreds of years and unless intentionally preserved would be all but dust after the first 1000 years. Maybe your looking for garments, a house, cave drawing... Maybe you don't realize that were know very little of specific indivisuals who lived 6000+ years ago, and don't know you cant honestly make a compareson of 'proof' for someone who live a few hundred years ago to someone who live 6000 years ago. This almost 2000 years before the pyrmids were built, what possible proof could you be looking for that establishes Adam and Eve, that we can compare outside of the bible to any other specific individual of that same time period?
You're actually believe that as the literal account? How old are you?
Could you please explain the 100,000 year old human bones that have been found in Ethiopia please? Or were they big bad Lucifer?
Do you still believe in Santa?
PERSERVED Human bones or are they Fossils?
If Bones are not PRESERVED/Fossilized what happens to them sport, and how long does it take?
If you mind isn't completely blown yet let me ask one more question: Are bones more often than not PRESERVED/fossilized (intentional or not) so as to last thousands of years, or do most bones decay?
Heres a hint: They decay otherwise we would be over run with old bones...
So, again to make my point (because it seems you missed it first go around) If Adam and Eve's bones were not preserved, they would have turned to dust even before the first 1000 years after their death was up.
That said nothing in history says that anyone if the Jewish Patriarchal history were preserving bodies/bones ever. Their whole Burrial rituals were centered around returning the bones back to the ash in which we came.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 12:07 pm
(September 23, 2015 at 12:01 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 10:51 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: You're actually believe that as the literal account? How old are you?
Could you please explain the 100,000 year old human bones that have been found in Ethiopia please? Or were they big bad Lucifer?
Do you still believe in Santa?
PERSERVED Human bones or are they Fossils?
If Bones are not PRESERVED/Fossilized what happens to them sport, and how long does it take?
If you mind isn't completely blown yet let me ask one more question: Are bones more often than not PRESERVED/fossilized (intentional or not) so as to last thousands of years, or do most bones decay?
Heres a hint: They decay otherwise we would be over run with old bones...
So, again to make my point (because it seems you missed it first go around) If Adam and Eve's bones were not preserved, they would have turned to dust even before the first 1000 years after their death was up.
That said nothing in history says that anyone if the Jewish Patriarchal history were preserving bodies/bones ever. Their whole Burrial rituals were centered around returning the bones back to the ash in which we came.
Our point is that we know there were humans in the Israel region 100,000 (some think as much as 125,000) years ago, possibly by a small group, who would have been in contention with our Neandertal cousins who already inhabited the region starting from 500,000 years ago. We know that a large-scale migration out of Africa, which spread across the northern coast of the Indian ocean and eventually reached southeast Asia and down to Australia (by boat!) occurred 80,000 years ago.
We aren't looking for the bones of Adam and Eve because no serious paleontologist thinks they were real people.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 12:19 pm
(September 23, 2015 at 11:29 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 10:00 am)Faith No More Wrote: And you expect people to take you seriously? It's funny how you like to make jabs at how you perceive a naturalist worldview to be philosophically inconsistent, yet you believe in all kinds of wild, impossible nonsense with no evidence. Join the 21st century, Chad, and recognize that reason without empirical evidence is dead and everything you listed there is an impossibility.
I am living proof that asses can speak. Otherwise I'd like to see you prove that any of those are impossible unless you'd have to prove the negatives.
Just to clarify, do you have personal experience of any one of those things listed?
Or, do you believe in them because someone wrote about them in a book, nearly 2 Millennia ago?
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 12:32 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm by SofaKingHigh.)
(September 23, 2015 at 12:01 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 10:51 am)SofaKingHigh Wrote: You're actually believe that as the literal account? How old are you?
Could you please explain the 100,000 year old human bones that have been found in Ethiopia please? Or were they big bad Lucifer?
Do you still believe in Santa?
PERSERVED Human bones or are they Fossils?
If Bones are not PRESERVED/Fossilized what happens to them sport, and how long does it take?
If you mind isn't completely blown yet let me ask one more question: Are bones more often than not PRESERVED/fossilized (intentional or not) so as to last thousands of years, or do most bones decay?
Heres a hint: They decay otherwise we would be over run with old bones...
So, again to make my point (because it seems you missed it first go around) If Adam and Eve's bones were not preserved, they would have turned to dust even before the first 1000 years after their death was up.
That said nothing in history says that anyone if the Jewish Patriarchal history were preserving bodies/bones ever. Their whole Burrial rituals were centered around returning the bones back to the ash in which we came.
Bones/Fossils, if your going to indulge in semantics, what the fuck is a bone "perserve?" You knew damn well what I meant.
Now, as it seems my point has totally flown over your empty head, I shall attempt to slow it down.
Adam and Eve supposedly were the first Human beings on Earth. They were here 6,000 years ago. We have found Human fossils (just for you) that are over 100,000 years old.
Are you getting there Drichy? Has that big ol' penny dropped yet?
How are we finding remains that are 94,000 years older than the first Humans who supposedly set foot on Earth?
Now, take your time. Make sure you read this, then re-read it, re-read it again and maybe get an adult to read it back to you before replying.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 12:42 pm
(September 23, 2015 at 11:36 am)Faith No More Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 11:29 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I am living proof that asses can speak. Otherwise I'd like to see you prove that any of those are impossible unless you'd have to prove the negatives.
While I appreciate the self-reflection, the fact that you want me to prove to you that a person can't live to be 969 speaks volumes about your worldview.
My worldview has nothing to do with your inability to prove that a human being could not live over 900 years. Incredulity is not proof.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 12:45 pm
(September 23, 2015 at 12:19 pm)SofaKingHigh Wrote: (September 23, 2015 at 11:29 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I am living proof that asses can speak. Otherwise I'd like to see you prove that any of those are impossible unless you'd have to prove the negatives.
Just to clarify, do you have personal experience of any one of those things listed?
Or, do you believe in them because someone wrote about them in a book, nearly 2 Millennia ago? The flood monomyth is cross cultural. I have no reason not the accept the biblical record as reflective of a real event.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 1:28 pm
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I've still never heard of anyone who understands evolution and then doesn't believe it is true.
I hear people saying, "Evolution says that [stupid thing evolution does not say]! That's stupid!" Yes, it is stupid. It's also not evolution.
I honestly think some people are scared to learn about it, in case they find out it actually makes sense.
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RE: Help Me Understand, part duex
September 23, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Hey, Drich, I like your red tie in that video.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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