Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!

[robvalue]

Well as this has turned into a train wreck, let me have some fun by randomly explaining why I'm not too interested in what christian bible scholars have to say about Jesus:





PS: I'm sorry if I was rude Aractus.

[Aractus]

[pocaracas]

[The Grand Nudger]

Emphasis is mine, I italicized the claim.....bold and ital the subsequent conclusion.  That's a hell of a stretch, don't you think?  There are plenty of things written in the first person that no human being has -ever- had any experience of.  In fact, there's an entire genre......fiction.

No it isn't because the entire gospel of Luke and Acts 1-12 is written in the third-person. So there is a very clear difference.

....and.....?

We are not talking about fiction. The genre of fiction had not been invented at the time. There were no novels. You might question what are 'fictitious elements', but that's not the same.

What I've consistently expressed is the point of view of historians who do the work to work out what is history and what is embellishment.

Novels can be written in first or third person. But ancient works are written in different styles pertaining to whether they are recording contemporary or ancient records. This is noted by scholars and used as a tool to help determine what the author "knows" and what they were "told".

Really?  The genre of fiction was invented the first time Uncle Ogg said to Auntie Ugg "No, really, it's -that- big", to claim otherwise is complete and utter silliness. If I was being -very- generous, I'd say we're discussing a narrative that does not rise above fiction, regardless of what the author may have intended. Personally, I couldn't defend a position that required me to first claim absurdity, only to waffle immediately on the same item. Was there no fiction, or some fiction?

[Mr Greene]

I'm afraid that's not really true. You might want to reconsider your sources. They are not as credible as you might think.

I made several point. Exactly which of them is not true and on what do you base your assessment?

You'd first have to provide an astrological source for the period in question that references southern hemisphere constellations.
Presumably African and not insurmountable, however you then include something about a specific line of latitude in relation to the sun. Why would that be special? It isn't clearly marked on the sky, I think someone has done a lot of retro-fitting to produce something that is rather obviously anachronistic.

Also if fiction wasn't around what exactly was being performed in the Greek Odeons?

[Cyberman]

I think someone should have told Homer as well.