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Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
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RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
I have 2 logic explanations.

If the bible is the inerrant word of God, then yes, he's not Omni anything. As Aractus stated, he is no action man and an outright liar.
If the bible has been wrongly interpreted and/or corrupted by "man", then no-one really knows God or his intentions at all!
Have I missed anything?

So Xtians, who/what do you think you are praying to?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#12
RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
All the things it "does" are down to the placebo effect (belief is enough, regardless of whether the belief is true) and confirmation bias (attributing agency where there is no reason to, and seeing patterns where there are none).
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#13
RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
Aractus Wrote:One of the problems with the Abrahamic god is that he doesn't do anything, despite what the Bible says he should be doing.

You know this how?

Aractus Wrote:Perhaps of even greater concern is that he breaks all of the sacred covenants he makes with us anyway (not that the dispensationalist Xians seems to mind much):

 Really, how do you not see how wrong you are.

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  • Adamic covenant: Yahweh asserts his authority to judge humanity because Adam ate from the tree he told him not to eat from. Supposidly this covenant still applies today, despite the ones I'm about to mention being mothballed by his gloriousness.
          
Are you going to keep this within the confines of scripture or will you draw on speculation from outside the scriptures.
Isn't this God's right as creator of the universe and all that is contained in it. God says He is perfect and His creation was perfect until Adam and Eve change things by rejecting His love in disobedience, God's judgement is appropriate and does, as you say, stand today.

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  • Noahic covenant: Yahweh tells Noah he can eat meat now (before this humans were vegetarian, according to the Bible), so long as it's kosher. He will also make all animals fear mankind. He will also never again flood the Earth to kill everyone. Yahweh also introduces capital punishment at this time for the crime of murder (in a few generations time he introduces it for homosexual acts and other things too, but for now it's just for murder).

Yes humans were vegetarians before the flood, after the flood there was little vegetation and what was there the animals needed. Animals were plentiful and God gave man permission to eat meat to sustain both the vegetation and man. I would think that most of what man had consumed pre-flood was extremely limited and widely scattered. God made the animals fear man so they wouldn't be hunted to extinction quickly, it is for their survival and man having to toil for his food as God said under Adam's judgement. He hasn't flooded the earth again. Man wasn't killing animals before the flood, so God gave a distinction by law on killing, man's value is greater than an animal. Before the flood God punished, post flood God is allowing man to carry out punishment, this is new. Man was not allowed to punish Cain. As for the homosexuals this could be something new with man and we know God calls it an abomination, unnatural, against the creation command it populate the world and against what God set-up as marriage.

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  • Abrahamic covenant: Genesis 15. This is the single most disturbing covenant Yahweh makes, because he blatantly lies to and misleads Abram. He foretells that the Israelite people will be enslaved in Egypt for four hundred years and promises to deliver them, with great possessions, and then to lead them to the land of Canaan, the land where Abraham is now, to possess. In Genesis 17 he renews the covenant with Abram (now Abraham) and tells him that his descendants shall have the whole of the Canaan land to possess as an eternal possession.

What lie, you believe God lied because He didn't give Abraham all the details of the future, exactly why would the Creator of the universe be required to give all details, because you think the omniscient and omnipotent God should do as you want, that's simply a crazy notion. They would have the whole of the land of Canaan to posses as long as they obeyed Him. They were disobeying God from the get go and started suffering the consequences of the disobedience. Do you know all the land God was going to hand over to them as long as they obeyed? I believe what I've stated here eats up what you have said below.

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  • Yahweh reaffirms this covenant with Moses, and then Joshua, and then David (2 Samuel 7). But it's all a lie. If Yahweh was to tell Abram the truth the first time then he would have said: "Your descendants will be enslaved in Egypt, then I will deliver them, then I'll make them wait 40 years in the desert, then I will give them the Canaan land to possess, and then I will become displeased with them and allow other nations such as Rome to come in and seize control of the land from them".

Like I said above, this little example of you changing what scriptures say has been eaten up by my above statement.

Aractus Wrote:Even that still wouldn't be the full truth anyway, since there was no Exodus and at no time did the "ancient Israelites" ever possess the whole of the Canaan land that God supposedly promised them.

Just because no one has disproved the Exodus or proved it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Chariot wheels have been found at the bottom of the Red Sea, do you think the Egyptians were trying to make floating chariots for battles at sea. They didn't possess the whole of Canaan because of their disobedience and lack of trust and faith in God. God said this would happen before they entered Canaan and that it would be seized by other nations before they entered Canaan.

I have a six hour trip tomorrow so I need to stop here and go to bed, maybe I can find the time to counter your points later.

GC
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RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
god simply does nothing. if a god existed he she or it doesn't care about you, he doesn't care about me or anyone or the planet or the universe or even loves anyone for that matter. Because all that being would do is just watch and watch and watch while he/she/or its own creation die slowly of heat death. I hate to be cold but well that's the truth.
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RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
(September 22, 2015 at 11:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: He gives me hope.


You give yourself too little credit.
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RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
(September 22, 2015 at 11:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: He gives me hope.


Hold on this is going to blow your mind.
god is wait for it all in your head. That feeling of hope
that is all your doing.


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#17
RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
The christian god watches you masturbate, but that's about it.
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RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
TL/DR, I've got some Mafia to attend to Big Grin
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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#19
RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
He is thinking of you. He is worried for each time you open your mouth against Him. He has mercy on you for the sake of your ancestors who know better, and are pleading for you.

Much of your questions are just problems with interpreting the Bible, having received no formal education on it, you seem to know a lot, but have no idea how to make sense of what you know. That's not your fault. You can't think of Israel as a plot of land, but rather as the promised land of heaven. Still the name is used interchangedly, sometimes figuritavely... If you were educate you would know to distinguish. And also to distinguish the different literary forms of the old testament....

We are not like the muslims who think the bible is written by God, but rather that it was written by people inspired by God. Those people lived in the context of their times.


Anyway. People who believe need little explanation and people who don't believe will never be content with all the explanation in the world.
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#20
RE: Dear Christians: What does your god actually do?
(September 24, 2015 at 2:05 am)Ronkonkoma Wrote: He is thinking of you. He is worried for each time you open your mouth against Him. He has mercy on you for the sake of your ancestors who know better, and are pleading for you.

Much of your questions are just problems with interpreting the Bible, having received no formal education on it, you seem to know a lot, but have no idea how to make sense of what you know. That's not your fault. You can't think of Israel as a plot of land, but rather as the promised land of heaven. Still the name is used interchangedly, sometimes figuritavely... If you were educate you would know to distinguish. And also to distinguish the different literary forms of the old testament....

We are not like the muslims who think the bible is written by God, but rather that it was written by people inspired by God. Those people lived in the context of their times.


Anyway. People who believe need little explanation and people who don't believe will never be content with all the explanation in the world.

that has to be the best joke of the night and nope nope and again nope. I have been over this go look at the video.
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