Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 19, 2024, 12:07 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Atheists come up with ideal god
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
(October 12, 2015 at 9:05 am)robvalue Wrote: It seems there are many theists with the type of personality that is willing (perhaps even eager) to worship and submit to the biggest thing available. So much so that some can't seem to grasp the concept of believing in a god but not worshipping it.

On the whole, most atheists I've met seem to find the very idea of worship to be bizarre, and so the existence or not of the God in question is moot anyway.

Is there something to this, I wonder? Could it be studied somehow?

I have long considered the "submission to God" concept to be an extension (and perversion) of the common drive found in social apes to form hierarchies and submit to the Alpha Male. As pointed out by [was it Losty?], inventing the god-concept was just a way for Beta Males to create an even bigger Alpha than the Warlord/King, whose "will" they relayed to us mere mortals, so they could attain a degree of political control.

For those of us who don't feel the drive to subjugate ourselves to the hierarchy's higher-ranking members, the concept of an uber-Alpha is not only unnecessary, it's patently obvious and ridiculous. For those who feel that sense of satisfaction from belonging to a group in which they "know their place", I'm sure being part of the Uber Alpha's entourage, so to speak, is quite emotionally fulfilling. 

Me, I just feel bad for them, especially when they're exhibiting such chimp-like behavior as they go on to proclaim that "we didn't come from monkeys!".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

Reply
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
Ah yes, that makes a lot of sense, thanks Smile Indeed, how ironic!

It seems to go with the mindset of "How do I know what to do if someone isn't telling me?"
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
(October 12, 2015 at 9:35 am)robvalue Wrote: Ah yes, that makes a lot of sense, thanks Smile Indeed, how ironic!

It seems to go with the mindset of "How do I know what to do if someone isn't telling me?"

Right. And I think that drives their refusal to accept that we can be moral without being told what morality is by a High Authority. 

They are, of course, just as capable as we are to do so, and they actually do it.  That's why they're not out stoning nonbelievers and gays and disobedient children, as commanded by the Wholly Babble. But they still like to think they have been handed an objective set of Rules From On High™, to which they are "properly" in orderly obedience/subjugation.

It just breaks my heart for them, but I expect no differently, since I observe that these types of primate behaviors are unlikely to Naturally Select their way out of the gene pool or the cultural memes anytime soon.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

Reply
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
It is incredibly sad that they have been mentally thrashed into believing these things about themselves. You're right, in most cases it just isn't true, and that's the hardest part for me being in the outside.

People mostly use religion as a mirror.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
RE: Atheists come up with ideal god
Epic post TheRocketSurgeon.
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Does your atheism come as a package? FrustratedFool 75 5180 October 7, 2023 at 1:50 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  Abiogenesis ("Chemical Evolution"): Did Life come from Non-Life by Pure Chance. Nishant Xavier 55 2981 August 6, 2023 at 5:19 pm
Last Post: Thumpalumpacus
  Family is always asking me to come to religious celebrations Tomatoshadow2 25 1803 April 11, 2023 at 6:24 pm
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  I enjoy far right atheists more than lgbt marxist atheists Sopra 4 2192 February 28, 2018 at 9:09 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  How come there arent many atheists such as Bill Maher Roeki 30 8779 July 6, 2017 at 3:10 am
Last Post: Ben Davis
  God can come 2nd to my son..... maestroanth 6 1379 January 1, 2017 at 2:31 pm
Last Post: Joods
  Ugh, how come I, an atheist, have the ability to ACT more "Christian" than...... maestroanth 7 1781 April 9, 2016 at 7:46 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  Why did you come to this board? Kingpin 131 19832 August 18, 2015 at 8:38 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  Why do never-theists come to atheist forums? watchamadoodle 26 6667 January 8, 2015 at 9:03 am
Last Post: watchamadoodle
  The Perfect Ideal World Created By Science Mozart Link 0 873 June 3, 2014 at 2:41 pm
Last Post: Mozart Link



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)